Some hands from unsuccessful 25NL shot

I lost 1 buyin in my 25NL shot so I'm going to go back and grind back that buyin through 10NL. I don't want to hurt my roll so better safe than sorry :(

Hand 1
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

MP1 ($50)
MP2 ($25.25)
CO ($9.15)
Button ($9.65)
SB ($52.20)
BB ($4.90)
UTG ($38.10)
Hero (UTG+1) ($26.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, 2 folds, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.25) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
SB bets $2, Hero calls $2, 1 fold

Turn: ($7.25) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets $4.25, Hero calls $4.25

River: ($15.75) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $9, Hero calls $9

Total pot: $33.75 | Rake: $1.65


Hand 2 - Villain has been stealing a lot and raises bvb when folded to him
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Hero (BB) ($29.50)
UTG ($5)
UTG+1 ($21.40)
MP1 ($5)
MP2 ($27.20)
MP3 ($25)
CO ($29.20)
Button ($43.90)
SB ($27.40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif
7 folds, SB raises to $1, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2

Flop: ($6) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB raises to $24.40 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $14 | Rake: $0.65


Hand 3
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Hero (UTG+1) ($26.95)
MP1 ($9.10)
MP2 ($23.15)
CO ($25)
Button ($22.85)
SB ($57.65)
BB ($25)
UTG ($25.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 4 folds, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.25) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.75, SB calls $1.75

Turn: ($5.75) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.75, SB calls $3.75

River: ($13.25) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $13.25 | Rake: $0.65

Hand 1 is atrocious IMO. Either raise or fold, but don't call. Hand 2 is a re-steal attempt gone bad. I would have checked behind on the flop to get a free draw on the turn. He might have bet into you if a diamond hit and you possibly could have felted him depending on what hand he's holding here.

Hand1- I'm raising his donk bet in a 3-way pot. As played calling him down is fine.

Hand2- Even if he is stealing a lot in this situation I think you can probably just start calling him a lot lighter with position and this is a good example of a hand to see a cheap flop with in position. As played the flop is fine, although I would have bet more like $5 and then folded to his shove.

Hand3- I would bet more on the turn and then since his line is so weak I'd probably bet the river again but reads are important.

I get the feeling from the way you played and the bets you made that you're playing scared. Figure that out for yourself and try to be comfortable at whatever stakes you are playing.

hand 1 yeah i probably shouldve raised. i was looking to raise a lot on a blank turn instead of having to get crazy on the flop with two cards to come and a bunch of equity for draws to possibly get a shove in

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Hand 2 is a re-steal attempt gone bad. I would have checked behind on the flop to get a free draw on the turn.

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why not try to cbet and try to take it down? i don't see how a semi bluff here is wrong. you seem to be saying to take the free card line because i got crai'd

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Hand3- I would bet more on the turn and then since his line is so weak I'd probably bet the river again but reads are important.

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there aren't any real draws on the flop besides hearts, and when that draw hit there i don't see how bet sizing really changes anything. if he has a ten hes probably folding here anyways

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Originally Posted by AFchung

I lost 1 buyin in my 25NL shot so I'm going to go back and grind back that buyin through 10NL. I don't want to hurt my roll so better safe than sorry :(

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Ya don't do this. It's detrimental to your game imo, you'll be yoyo-ing forever if you drop back down after losing 1 BI. You said in your other thread you have a $500 roll, so take your shot until u get faceraped back down to $300 ;) Or, if you aren't comfortable playing $25nl yet stay at 10nl until you are comfortable and have a bit more cushion so losing 1 BI won't seem like such a bad result.

Have you stoved H2? I haven't, but it seems like this could be a call. It's $20 to win $35 with potentially 12 outs to the best hand, backdoor outs. If you can put T9 in his semi-bluff range than it's probably even closer.

H3 I am also betting the turn harder. The flush draw hitting is not really that relevant, and since we apparently don't have a read that the vill likes to play draws then I think he'll call $4.50 just as much as $3.75 with middle pair (99 type stuff) or a weak Ten. Check behind on the river is fine as many draws are now complete. If you had a better read there might be thin value there.

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Originally Posted by kettleofish

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Originally Posted by AFchung

I lost 1 buyin in my 25NL shot so I'm going to go back and grind back that buyin through 10NL. I don't want to hurt my roll so better safe than sorry :(

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Ya don't do this. It's detrimental to your game imo, you'll be yoyo-ing forever if you drop back down after losing 1 BI. You said in your other thread you have a $500 roll, so take your shot until u get faceraped back down to $300 ;) Or, if you aren't comfortable playing $25nl yet stay at 10nl until you are comfortable and have a bit more cushion so losing 1 BI won't seem like such a bad result.

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This. I agree with the others. This looked like scared money. I don't know about your BRM guidelines, but I'm waiting until I have $650 in the roll the take my full shot at 25NL, but playing fewer tables, then hopefully moving up permanently when I hit $750. I want to have a large cushion (like spendas new post says) so I can get kicked in the nuts a lot, learn something, and still be rolled.

Hand 1 - Just fold turn. You don't beat anything except a stone cold bluff at this point (and they might have one :h: for decent equity still).

You don't need to win every pot.

Hand 2 -

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Originally Posted by Airles™

Hand 2 is a re-steal attempt gone bad. I would have checked behind on the flop to get a free draw on the turn.

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No

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Originally Posted by Webb87

Hand2- Even if he is stealing a lot in this situation I think you can probably just start calling him a lot lighter with position and this is a good example of a hand to see a cheap flop with in position. As played the flop is fine

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Calling light is not the answer.

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Originally Posted by Webb87

although I would have bet more like $5 and then folded to his shove.

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ahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahha.
Worst. Advice. Ever.

Personally I call. Pokerstove wise It's real close, but fuck him it's a stupid move. Plus, I see a rag flush here a lot and this is never the nuts.

Hand 3 - I prob bet $5 on the river (would double your profits yo).

Hand 2 - With only 9 outs you have around 36% equity or so if you were to call his allin. Given pot odds you only need 37% equity to have a breakeven call. I'm calling this off here. As swigg said, this is just a gay shove by villain and I wouldn't expect him to show up with any nut hands here ever really (c/shoving JJ+, AQ would be stupid imo). I would expect to see maybe a worse flush draw some of the time and your ace outs might be live.

Hand 3 - Hero bet/folds $7 imo.

Hand 1: raise flop. As played I'm calling down because 2 pairs got counterfeited on the river, and turn imo you're ahead often enough to call.

Hand 2: I'm never bet/folding flop. Other options have merrits with b/c often being best imo.

Hand 3: Little bigger turn bet as said. Agree with swiggidy about like 5-7 on the river.

Hand #1
Big Slick AND TPTK is often a dicey hand. If your villain is very loose or overvalues hands, then cold calling like you did was probably fine and if you have a read that your hand is good, a re-raise on the river wouldn't be a bad idea either. Against a tight, competent villain, you really have to be careful when HE leads out against you on the flop. When you have the lead pre-flop in a hand and someone leads INTO you on the flop, that's a red flag. With no reads, I think a re-raise is the best play so you get an idea where you stand. If he calls the flop re-raise and leads out again on the turn, you have to assume you're beat. So, the way THIS hand played out with no reads, I'd assume you're beat. I always assume a player is tight, ABC until they prove themselves otherwise.

Hand #2
I don't like calling raises with a weak ace let alone 3betting them. The fact that it's suited doesn't overcome that it's a weak ace. You have a 1% chance of flopping the flush and when you get your draw, you have to hope or have a read that you'll get about 20% odds to see one card or 36% to see two. The bet on the flop isn't bad per se because you keep the lead, have fold equity, and have outs to the nut flush. Without a read, you obviously have to fold to the all-in. This is good example of why we need a good pre-flop strategy as without one we can quickly lose money because the hand gets out of control.

Hand #3
I don't like the turn bet with the flush. You have to ask yourself, why would villain stick around after my c-bet and more importantly, why would he now go away on my turn bet? With this board texture, a heart flush draw is the most likely reason and now you're building the pot for him. With just an over pair, I don't think you want to build a big pot even if you may have the best hand. This is a situation that comes up a lot where a player generally doesn't want a big pot but doesn't want to fold either, so they try to compromise and call and hope he stops betting or you hit trips. Trust me. I can relate and I've been guilty of this, too. However, I think a better play is to get a read on your villain and either fold to his flop bet OR raise for value or for information on the flop. If he calls the flop re-raise, you know for sure where you stand and really have to shut down - ESPECIALLY if a draw gets completed. This method allows you to find out better where you stand EARLIER for much cheaper than it would to still be confused for more money on the turn and river.

For hand 2 can we not just just call the raise and the play some poker?
We can float/bluff scare cards on turn/river etc against this guy. Re-raising him with a marginal hand just looks like a plain re-steal IMO, he will probably call anyway so let's wait to bloat the pot when we have a big hand. Flat calling sounds good if opponent sucks postlfop. We don't need to make a hand to win the pot, we just need to be sure he will shut down postlfop, fold to scare cards, and be afraid to double barrel oop after having a raise flatted and so on. Everyone seems so concerned with just making a hand in the blinds when there's just bluffing going back and forth.