2 100nl hands TT & AQ

#1 - Opp is 24/18 over very small sample so other stats basically unknown. Massive fish in SB made me lean towards a preflop call IP. Im not a fan of 3betting utg open here anyway though and flat a good amount.

Whats your plan on turn & river??


$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Highlow16 ($102.15)
UTG+1 theyamaca ($120.50)
CO Hero ($100.00)
BTN tthabitu ($32.10)
SB macarter88 ($130.30)
BB jacoblew ($18.00)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is CO :qh: :ac:
Highlow16 raises to $3.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.50, 3 folds

Flop: :kc: :2s: :jc: ($8.50, 2 players)
Highlow16 bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: :9h: ($20.50, 2 players)
Highlow16 checks, Hero bets $15, Highlow16 calls $15

River: :6d: ($50.50, 2 players)
Highlow16 checks, Hero ($75.50)?


#2 - opp is 16/16 nit, 2 steals in 10 attempts both on BTN. Nothing else over 48 hands.


Id love to hear thoughts on these flats and opinions on best way to play them, Ive been pretty much aggro postflop in these spots. they add tons more value imo when we check raise low dry flops or low paired ones. Im not sure though in spots with drawy flops.

Maybe I theres different opinions we can play a street by street hand history.

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG BingyBong ($96.50)
UTG+1 TLOC773 ($46.90)
CO HIMcLovinID ($207.65)
BTN ISplashBeats ($102.50)
SB Hero ($135.00)
BB psnout ($111.30)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is SB :tc: :ts:
3 folds, ISplashBeats raises to $3.50, Hero calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: :7c: :2d: :5d: ($8, 2 players)
Hero ($131.50)?

AQ, I think you'd need some kind of info about yours and villain's history. Does he have any reason to believe you would float him here? Does he think you would raise a draw here really often?

If he thinks you're floating too much he could bet/check call/check call with a king to induce bluffs from you. If he doesn't think you're floating or doesn't think you're aggressive it's pretty much a mandatory turn bet for him with a king since your flop call reps a jack or a draw pretty well.

Basically, you can take QT completely out of his range after he c/c the turn, so if I was going to bluff the turn I feel committed to bluffing this river since it really doesn't appear he has much and you can have all sorts of stuff. Prob bet about 38.

TT, if you're going to lead you pretty much need to be going with the hand, you can't lead then fold if he raises. Purpose of leading is to induce a raise, so it'd just be b/3b get it in. C/R is fine too I think, just puts you in a lot more tougher spots on the turn when he decides to flat.

hand 1 is kinda meh, I just flat pf here 90 percent of the time, and floating the flop isn't too bad as he has a ton of underpairs which he should just be check folding on the turn that c bet the flop. His range for folding the river that calls the turn is preety narrow, I can even see him calling you with something as light as aj or qq here as what do you flat on the flop that you bet with strongly on the turn and river bar q10? If you are gonna bluff the river id make a bet that looks like its for value i.e. 28ish as thats a realistic bet you'd make with kq, ak etc. Any bigger and it'll look bluffy. I'd just give up personally.


In hand 2 I'd donk bet $6 into this specific villain, against far more agro decent opps i'd be going for a checkraise and be relatively happy getting it in, you just won't get much respect with a checkraise on this sort of board.

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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

In hand 2 I'd donk bet $6 into this specific villain, against far more agro decent opps i'd be going for a checkraise and be relatively happy getting it in, you just won't get much respect with a checkraise on this sort of board.

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You're relatively happy c/r'ing and getting it in with TT vs a 16/16 nit..? hmmmm.. I mean he's on the button, but I'm still not thrilled! This is alright with reads that he's only a preflop nit and just does dumb things postflop.

I c/c and re-evaluate. I don't mind donk leading sometimes either, if I had good reads on how he would react to that.

1) You don't want to 3 bet an utg raiser but you're willing to float on a board that smokes his range compared to yours? He's not folding river often enough imo if that's the question. I also don't 3 bet pre.

2) I c/c he's probably c betting too much and is going to play pretty straightforward on later streets. Is a 16/16 nit really felting worse on this board?

Hand 2 I'd tend to c/c.

Hand #2 I c/c and agree with everything Marshall said for #1.

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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

In hand 2 I'd donk bet $6 into this specific villain, against far more agro decent opps i'd be going for a checkraise and be relatively happy getting it in, you just won't get much respect with a checkraise on this sort of board.

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You're relatively happy c/r'ing and getting it in with TT vs a 16/16 nit..? hmmmm.. I mean he's on the button, but I'm still not thrilled! This is alright with reads that he's only a preflop nit and just does dumb things postflop.

I c/c and re-evaluate. I don't mind donk leading sometimes either, if I had good reads on how he would react to that.

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no, I didn't say that, I said against better more agro oppenents I'd be happy to checkraise get it in on this board as they'll often spew and give you no credit for a hand, specially btn vs blinds, against the specific villain I either donk bet or check call.

OK alot of replies, thx guys.


Hand 1----

Marshall,

i dont think we need much history at all. preflop is a standard enough call. Flop is a standard enough float, i can have tons of stuff here include some made hands but he isnt to know that. He will likely show the true value of his hand by his turn actions.

I doubt any opps are c/c turn and c/c river with another Kx hands they raise utg.

i agree that when he c/c he has a marginal hand BUT i wud lean towards a marginal made hand c/c than a draw. So in that respect i feel betting like $28 as mentioned above is a bad move, we want max fold equity since opp can convince himself to call with 2:1 odds or 3:1 odds.

On AQo hand I shoved $75 into $50, I think the size of the bet is scary enough. I dont presume the guy can hand read well enough. In fact I may of made a mistake but not betting slightly larger on turn.


Hand 2 -

Here its either donk or c/c. c/r'ing just sucks since we aint really happy getting it allin here on flop. I think donking and calling a raise could be best on this low board to help his range contain more air by just calling. c/c'ing just totally sucks imo and we likely calldown each street regardless of scare cards or safe cards.

im like betting the river every time on hand 1. I think i like overshove the best.

Hand 1: Everything up to the river is good. River is questionable. In one sense I love shoving here because opp is going to have to make a hero call and we can credibly rep nut hands. On the other hand, people can be very pussy passive and check a hand like AA/AK on the turn even though I feel like betting is significantly better here. Timing on turn is important, the longer he took to check the worse.

Hand 2: I'd threebet pre still versus this guy. After calling there's really no way you can play this where you are going to be too happy about it. I kind of like leading because if he calls were ahead a ton and can safely make three barrels on a lot of boards, but if he raises we really have to 3bet here, but were going to be unhappy with that a lot.

The thing about c/c hand 2, I like it versus someone who is a lose and thin double barrel-er. But against a guy who is a nit c/c destroys the value of a hand this strong on this board. You are also inviting high equity hands that are behind you too see 3 streets easily.

This is definitely one of those spots where calling the flop and leading the turn is acceptable/cool.

OK so I think hand 1 has been sorted. I shoved river and opp folded!!!

Ok hand 2 I lead $6 into $8, opp raised to $18......whats our plan now???