2 Barrelling at the micros.

Been thinking a bit about double barrelling turns and how profitable this actually is at the micros. I'll post 2 turn barrells from todays session where I'm obviously bluffing for you to critique.

People aren't really floating us often at all with air like they will at higher stakes. We do however, see villains call flops really light out of being lose and passive with bottom pair, gutshots etc. So is this a good reason to be double barreling scare cards, or should we generally keep it simple and shutdown when our c bet gets called and our equity sucks?

Note my equity sucks badly in both of these hands.

1. Villain was 41/28/2.3 over 220 hands with a fold toc C bet of 73%


No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($3.80)
BB ($20)
UTG ($19.80)
Hero (MP) ($30.61)
CO ($20.50)
Button ($40.28)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
1 fold, Hero bets $0.80, CO calls $0.80, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.90) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.35, CO calls $1.35

Turn: ($4.60) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $3.25

Total pot: $4.60



2. Villain here was 26/22/1.2 with a fold to c bet of 60%.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($11.13)
BB ($23.91)
Hero (UTG) ($21.11)
MP ($53.73)
Button ($20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
Hero bets $0.80, 1 fold, Button calls $0.80, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.90) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, Button calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.50) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $3.20

Total pot: $4.50

I was always scared to double barrel because in the back of my mind I would think

"But what if he hit two pair or a set?"

but when you take a stab at a pot, they call and you have TP, do another barrel, they'll let you know what they have if they raise over the top and you can get out cheaply then.

At these levels players are more than happy to tell you what they have. The hard decisions come when you have the set and that straight/flush comes up and you're wondering if their shove is them hitting two pair...

first one is fine, second one is not
in the second one a king is not a scare card if he has an ace
he's also calling with the flush draw for two streets because he's bad

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by iopq

first one is fine, second one is not
in the second one a king is not a scare card if he has an ace
he's also calling with the flush draw for two streets because he's bad

---

agreed. I like the first one because at the micro's villain will say "shit he hit his Ace" and fold or will raise if HE hit his ace.

On the second you won't get an ace to fold and a FD will most likely call again as well.

yep, +1 to iopq

hand 1 - thats about the only turn i would want to barrel

I was going to suggest barrelling on XaXbYaZc and maybe XaXbYaZb boards can be profitable. After filtering my (small) database I can see that my opponents are always calling the flop and giving up a lot on the turn.

Unfortunately i've usually had a hand in these spots so we might need some clarification here...

It seems more true if X = A,K,Q and Y isn't a low card.

Boards like 9:d:9:s:5:d: are going to fare far worse since lots of pocket pairs aren't folding, whereas a board like K:s:K:h:9:s: looks a lot less favourable to 88-22. If a 2:c: rolls off then of course the 77 that peeled the flop shouldn't be scared, but at the same time, the 2 doesn't help you either so it's like: "why's he betting again"? I suppose also, a lot of your range is going to connect more with high card paired boards so there's less air he can put you on.

Thoughts?

EDIT: I weren't sure if the original post was meant to be instructive or not? Either way I thought maybe ppl can talk about other times when to 2 barrel.

I included 2 tone flops that miss the turn since often there'll me more flush draws in opponents flop calling range that have potentially poorer implied odds if they brick the turn.

Yeah this is what I thought. The 2nd one was mainly because I felt pocket pairs 22-1010 were a reasonable part of his range, although I actually think aces and fds make up much more of it now that I look at the hand again.

One other thing I don't like about these hands that is villains high fold to c bet stat, mainly in hand 1. We can draw from this surely that villain's range for calling the flop will be much stronger and more weighted towards top pair and draws. If a villain calls us on the flop with a high fold to flop c bet stat, this should be a deterrent from double barrelling, thoughts?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Carroters

Yeah this is what I thought. The 2nd one was mainly because I felt pocket pairs 22-1010 were a reasonable part of his range, although I actually think aces and fds make up much more of it now that I look at the hand again.

One other thing I don't like about these hands that is villains high fold to c bet stat, mainly in hand 1. We can draw from this surely that villain's range for calling the flop will be much stronger and more weighted towards top pair and draws. If a villain calls us on the flop with a high fold to flop c bet stat, this should be a deterrent from double barrelling, thoughts?

---

why do you care if 22, 44-66 fold on the turn? If you think you're folding out 22-TT but not JJ-QQ you're getting TWO better hands to fold: 88 and TT

the rest you will beat at showdown
of course, you might get bluffed by a lower pp on the turn or river if you check
but then you've only invested $2.1 in the pot
if you are betting into an ace you'll have invested $5.3

considering you're not beating much anyway, it's not like you have a lot of equity to protect by betting anyway, you're only ahead of the flush draw
and you'll feel totally ridiculous if the guy calls the turn with a flush draw, misses and bluffs the river big