Wtf does he have? 400nl

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03-11-2009, 08:06 AM
cooker3

Wtf does he have? 400nl

Opponent is 21/18/5.5 over 8,000 hands. Opens up 25% of the time from the button. Calls 3bets about 20% of the time.

I am fairly new to the table. No huge history between us previously that I remember bar a few 3bets

No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (4 handed)

saw flop

Hero (Button) ($406.80)
SB ($390.50)
BB ($400)
UTG ($943)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7c 10d
UTG bets $12, Hero raises $36, 2 folds, UTG calls $24

Flop: ($78) 5s 5d 10h
UTG bets $56, Hero calls $56

Turn: ($190) 7d
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($190) 6c (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $100, UTG raises $851 (All-In)

I timed out on the turn as it happens (Go ipoker) although does anyone prefer a check?
Do you call and what did you think he has?
03-11-2009, 11:05 AM
GatorJH

Personally I wouldn't bluff 3bet against someone who calls 3bets 20% of the time.

Edit: But then again I don't play 400NL so this may be standard at that level.
03-12-2009, 06:04 PM
al yell

why check the Turn?

edit: nvm. self-imposed ban imo

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooker3

I timed out on the turn...
03-12-2009, 06:55 PM
bode

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorJH

Personally I wouldn't bluff 3bet against someone who calls 3bets 20% of the time.

wat? thats an incredibly tight call 3bet %. good/average is like 35%ish.
03-12-2009, 07:07 PM
JL

Quote:

Originally Posted by bode

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorJH

Personally I wouldn't bluff 3bet against someone who calls 3bets 20% of the time.

wat? thats an incredibly tight call 3bet %. good/average is like 35%ish.

20% is tight, but 35% is not good/average unless you are never 4betting.
03-12-2009, 07:37 PM
ZwiFT

77, TT, KK+
03-12-2009, 07:48 PM
ATOTHEC101

You've gotten preety pwned in this hand, I'd just scratch my head and fold.
03-12-2009, 09:03 PM
Marshall28

LOL I'm really confused too. I think I woulda checked the turn anyways since I put him on a super polar range when he donks flop after flatting the 3b, like AA/KK, 5x, a bunch of air. It may seem nitty but I think I'd check back the river too, it's just too weird for someone to do this for thin value, and since your hand really doesn't beat much here, I think the information about what he's doing this with is almost as important as the 100$ you win a small % of the time by getting him to call w/ a worse hand vs the times he does something goofy like c/r and you have to fold.
03-13-2009, 02:52 AM
bspahn

sometimes we encounter rivers where we have to ask ourselves can we somehow bet for value even thin value, but also if we bet *any* amount, will we instantly fold to even a min-CR ?

i think this is a spot where just getting to showdown is pretty sweet.
imo fold pre is best option, suited is slightly different as we can hit a lot more equity on flops.

the *only* reason why i'd bet turn here is if villain thinks we are floating wide and he check/calls turns with AK/AQ type over cards so we are betting for value. other than that do you think he's ever playing hands like 88/99 underpairs this way? that's all your beating basically that *might* call the 100bux on riv