What's my 3b for value range?

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03-24-2009, 01:08 AM

What's my 3b for value range?

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($15.05)
Button ($50)
SB ($50.70)
Hero (BB) ($78.80)
UTG ($49.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with cards
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, 1 fold, SB bets $3.50, Hero raises to $14
03-24-2009, 03:09 AM
oskar

Without any reads I flat a lot of hands that I would normally 3-bet just because I don't know if that's a standard raise for him or not.
Also I would make it more like 10, especially if I'm planning on ever 3b bluffing in that spot - which I do.
I might go as far as just 3-betting AK+, JJ+, but any indication that he might be aggro could dramatically change that.
03-24-2009, 03:43 AM

I agree, I'd prefer to 3x it, seeing as I have position on him.
03-24-2009, 04:16 AM
minSim

A 3bet looks insanely strong here and you have no info on villain.
I might not be having a 3bet for value range here as I might not have a 3bet range at all.

I guess QQ+ or something and AK as a semibluff.
03-24-2009, 04:23 AM
bigspenda73

holy enormous 3bet size Batman

probably KK+ after you did that
03-24-2009, 05:55 AM
nutsinho

qq/ak but dear god if you ever make it 14 there again im going to cut myself. you just put me on mega tilt
03-24-2009, 06:03 AM
nutsinho

when we 3bet one of the primary reasons for normal sizing, which is 3 to 4x opponents' open, is to eliminate implied odds. when we have position, he makes a huge pfr to open the action, and we are only 100bb deep, we dont need to make a big raise in relation to his open size. I think making it something other than 8.75-9.50 is pretty bad. It's way easier for him to make stupid peels and jams when he thinks we might be FOS.
03-24-2009, 06:09 AM
minSim

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Originally Posted by nutsinho

when we 3bet one of the primary reasons for normal sizing, which is 3 to 4x opponents' open, is to eliminate implied odds. when we have position, he makes a huge pfr to open the action, and we are only 100bb deep, we dont need to make a big raise in relation to his open size. I think making it something other than 8.75-9.50 is pretty bad. It's way easier for him to make stupid peels and jams when he thinks we might be FOS.

Nuts, are you ever gonna write that article/post about 3bet sizing resulting from the coaching challenge?
03-24-2009, 09:30 AM
Parasurama

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Originally Posted by minSim

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

when we 3bet one of the primary reasons for normal sizing, which is 3 to 4x opponents' open, is to eliminate implied odds. when we have position, he makes a huge pfr to open the action, and we are only 100bb deep, we dont need to make a big raise in relation to his open size. I think making it something other than 8.75-9.50 is pretty bad. It's way easier for him to make stupid peels and jams when he thinks we might be FOS.

Nuts, are you ever gonna write that article/post about 3bet sizing resulting from the coaching challenge?

This. I started writing about it and then realized I was absolutely clueless and still am.
03-24-2009, 12:41 PM
IowaSkinsFan

QQ+, AK, threebet smaller
03-24-2009, 01:15 PM
will641

if we 3-bet AQs do we have to felt vs a total unknown?
03-24-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by will641

if we 3-bet AQs do we have to felt vs a total unknown?

I doubt it's ok to do that in NL50 considering most people don't felt worse than AK
03-24-2009, 04:36 PM
OP

Re: What's my 3b for value range?

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Originally Posted by iopq

SB bets $3.50

Does the SB commonly open for 7x with the nuts at this level?
03-24-2009, 04:37 PM
bikes

Quote:

Originally Posted by will641

if we 3-bet AQs do we have to felt vs a total unknown?

Getting 2:1 on a call? Kinda have to stick it in.
03-24-2009, 05:26 PM
dev

Any reads on the MP limper?
03-24-2009, 05:51 PM
Genitruc

huh?
03-24-2009, 07:21 PM
bjsaust

Re: What's my 3b for value range?

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Originally Posted by OP

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Originally Posted by iopq

SB bets $3.50

Does the SB commonly open for 7x with the nuts at this level?

I've been known to raise as high as 10xbb in the SB there if I believe the limper will call.
03-25-2009, 01:53 PM
OP

Re: What's my 3b for value range?

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Originally Posted by bjsaust

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Originally Posted by OP

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Originally Posted by iopq

SB bets $3.50

Does the SB commonly open for 7x with the nuts at this level?

I've been known to raise as high as 10xbb in the SB there if I believe the limper will call.

Oops, missed the limper...nevermind, his sizing seems standard then