Hero's Sqeeze get's 4bet (AKs)

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04-19-2009, 03:42 PM
Robb

Hero's Sqeeze get's 4bet (AKs)

MP (UTG1, in HH) is a 24/24 positionally aware TAGG over 90 hands. So his PFR from MP is probably more like 15-18. He's cbet and raised enough flops I think he's too aggressive, but I haven't seen anything show down where he's out of line.

CO is a 60/30/4.4 maniac over 100 hands.

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($64.90)
UTG 1 ($50.00)
CO ($81.25)
BTN ($100.20)
Hero (SB) ($50.00)
BB ($100.10)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is SB :kh: :ah:
1 fold, UTG 1 raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, UTG 1 raises to $16, CO folds, $9 to Hero ($43)?

Question: what's Hero's best line against the TAGG rr here?
04-19-2009, 03:59 PM
meeloche

Well you were 4 bet 100bb deep you have AK in an obvious squeeze spot. I shove here every single day of the week.
04-19-2009, 04:10 PM
Galapogos

Shove, but don't forget to fist pump.
04-19-2009, 04:19 PM
Parasurama

have you been squeezing and 3betting a lot? the answer to this question is irrelevant, LOL ship
04-19-2009, 04:37 PM
Fnord

I ship but I'm not pumping my fist like you maniac TAgg online kiddies.

Oh, and congradulations on getting the terrible player out of the pot.
04-19-2009, 04:52 PM
Galapogos

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Oh, and congradulations on getting the terrible player out of the pot.

I think way more than not, he ends up isolating the terrible player with a good hand and a bloated pot. Not a bad thing at all imo.
04-19-2009, 05:02 PM
griffey24

Quote:

Originally Posted by meeloche

I shove here every single day of the week.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

but I'm not pumping my fist
04-19-2009, 06:41 PM
Robb

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Oh, and congradulations on getting the terrible player out of the pot.

Would you flat this?
04-19-2009, 07:25 PM
bode

im in the not fist pumping, but im shipping 100%. i agree with gala on the squeeze/fish thing.
04-19-2009, 08:12 PM
griffey24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Oh, and congradulations on getting the terrible player out of the pot.

I think way more than not, he ends up isolating the terrible player with a good hand and a bloated pot. Not a bad thing at all imo.

Yah I agree with this. There's no way squeezing this hand is bad, and yah far more often the opener will fold and fish will call.
04-20-2009, 05:17 AM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robb

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Oh, and congradulations on getting the terrible player out of the pot.

Would you flat this?

I might. I was probably too harsh. Something to think about. You really want to get involed against the fish more than you want to just take down the money in the pot. This is a feel spot for me.

Also, in a live game the dynamic might be such that everyone backs off from blowing people off flops to keep the game "friendly" and the fish happy as they give it it away post-flop rather than feel like they're being whipsawed by a bunch of hyper-aggression.

edit: I'll put this another way. I'm not thinking about balance, squeezing and other TAgg on TAgg violence stuff we can do while we jerk off to FPP porn. I'm thinking about ways to maximize my opportunities for the fish to make catastrophic mistakes for as much money as possible without giving too up too much value to the other players. I think of games like this as a big lottery for the fish's stack and I want to stuff as many of my tickets into the hopper as possible while the TAggs focus their attention on playing as many tables as possible.
04-20-2009, 09:11 PM
meeloche

You have to look at the other side as well. Not all fish want to just c/c it off postflop. There is also the gambling types that love to big bet bluff you and get into pissing matches cause omg you could be bluffing.