trips against river crai

villain is 17/14/3, 3-bets 7%. he's a pretty decent reg. i dont think ive seen him get too out of line before, and certainly never seen him take this line. fwiw, he checked turn and river pretty quick and insta shoved river.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($70.65)
BB ($200)
UTG ($317.55)
MP ($200)
Hero (CO) ($200)
Button ($95)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
1 fold, MP bets $6, Hero calls $6, Button calls $6, 2 folds

Flop: ($21) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
MP bets $12, Hero calls $12, 1 fold

Turn: ($45) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($45) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $36, MP raises to $182 (All-In),

Such a stupid line by him if he has a monster, but I don't see why he would spend this much on a bluff. You just look like a whole lot of missed draws that are trying to steal the pot on the river, or a 7 that peeled the flop obviously. Plus, I would think the river pairing the high card on the flop would make him at least pause for a moment to think about how he wants to play the river if he does have a better hand as well.

You probably have to call this unless you know he doesn't put his whole stack in easily.

Wow this is weird.. I'm not even sure.

Part of my wants to call.. but the other part of me says that our hand looks very much like 7x... he knows we'll bet 7x on riv and he's tryin to own us.

hmmm it's close.. probably mostly comes down to reads I'd imagine.

tough hand

Pay him off.

Def call, how often do you have a 7 whilst he has a missed draw?

I've seen enough weird stupid shit by so called regs that I would call here. Although I'm not super thrilled about it. I'd love to hear his thought process if he's taking this line with better.

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Originally Posted by meeloche

I've seen enough weird stupid shit by so called regs that I would call here......

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wow. Could this be something like AK that was going for a c/r on the turn? I just can't see a flopped set checking the turn here unless, again, he was going for a fps c/r.

I think I would call here as well but very reluctantly.

its really close, I certainly think its going to be rare that he shows up with worse but meeloche has a point, sometimes it may be some weird value.

I'd call, line looks really odd

well, i ended up folding. i figured that if i was wrong and he showed up with a set or something i would go into mega tilt mode.

When villain checks two streets he surely has to anticipate you betting the river? While villain will have some better hands in his range (sets and sometimes 56s which missed a turn c/r, though few bare 7s), when the turn checks through he's going to (more often than not?) default to betting river to try and get value from those stronger hands a lot of the time.

If we can think that villain would anticipate us betting rivers after being checked to twice, then it seems reasonable to expect him to already be planning what to do vs that bet - all draws missed, and his line is quirky enough that it could dissuade us from making a hero call with some of our vbet/blocker hands.

Beyond that, can we rule out villain playing TT or JJ this way (attacking our range to get a fold), or would this villain be more inclined to vbet that?

I guess I'm not super happy about calling vs a strong yet nonsensical line, but I do call because I think this is often designed to get a fold here, and I'm not very good at doing what I'm told.

Sick hand though.

i dont think i could fold this at all.

problem is im not sure exactly wot he is repping. i think he is spazzing

His timing definitely reminds me of me tilting. Makes me want to call a bit more. Still ugly though.

its so marginal dont worry about it

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Originally Posted by GatorJH

wow. Could this be something like AK that was going for a c/r on the turn? I just can't see a flopped set checking the turn here unless, again, he was going for a fps c/r.

I think I would call here as well but very reluctantly.

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makes sense except why would he c/r the river too? if it gets checked back he's losing so much value, and if he pulls of the c/r only better is calling. with the reads we have on villain i don't think he's dumb enough to make this play. missed draw makes more sense to me (checking turn to get a free card and then c/r'ing river as a bluff). maybe not a smart play either but at least there's some sort of defendable thought process to it