100NL vs. Marshall28

Marshall28 is a tough 200NL FTR reg. But I told him I wasn't rolled for NL200, so we played two tables of NL100 instead.

I've been c/ring aggressively and he started to call them more often.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (2 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($185.10)
Hero (SB) ($100)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
Button bets $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $4, Hero raises to $12, Button calls $8

Turn: ($30) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $28, Button calls $28

River: ($86) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Total pot: $86 | Rake: $0.50


On the river I decided to check because the only hands that I beat is a 4 (not calling a shove), and a smaller flush (if he doesn't 3b shove it on the flop)

How do you like it? Also, am I calling a shove on the river? If so, it stands to reason that it's probably better to shove myself.

Rivers a fairly standard shove, your beaten by a 10 and thats it, he doesnt get to the river with a 3, and I doubt he plays 44 like this. Plenty of other pps that can look you up.

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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

Rivers a fairly standard shove, your beaten by a 10 and thats it, he doesnt get to the river with a 3, and I doubt he plays 44 like this. Plenty of other pps that can look you up.

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so he's really looking me up with 88 on the river? I think he shoves JJ+ on the flop

This is a little advanced, and is something that one would only do against a thinking aggressive player (which are most players at 5/10 plus), but you should consider c/c the turn and then c/r the river on a blank.

Thinking players recognize that the T is a very bad card for your range: You're not really repping much on the flop besides a set and KT or AT, so once the T hits if you were bluffing you'll usually shutdown (if you dont have a flush yourself). Marshall is probably going to recognize this, and realize the the T is very good for him because he can hold all T's, and he'll probably try to rep it. He's going to probably fire any T on the turn, all his floats, and all his flushes, and he'll probably be the river a lot too. It's a superior line against a player like this.


As played, c/f seems best.

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Originally Posted by Massimo

This is a little advanced, and is something that one would only do against a thinking aggressive player (which are most players at 5/10 plus), but you should consider c/c the turn and then c/r the river on a blank.

Thinking players recognize that the T is a very bad card for your range: You're not really repping much on the flop besides a set and KT or AT, so once the T hits if you were bluffing you'll usually shutdown (if you dont have a flush yourself). Marshall is probably going to recognize this, and realize the the T is very good for him because he can hold all T's, and he'll probably try to rep it. He's going to probably fire any T on the turn, all his floats, and all his flushes, and he'll probably be the river a lot too. It's a superior line against a player like this.


As played, c/f seems best.

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I'm not sure if he floated my c/r during our match
he would check back lots of flops, so I think his betting range on the flop is fairly strong, that said I have the top of my range on the flop
I'm not sure if Marshall would stab this turn or just go into pot control mode with his 88 or w/e he can have here (of course he bets a T)

lol

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Originally Posted by Massimo

lol

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I just think he has a hand he wants to show down

I was too drunk to realize the board double paired on the river, otherwise I woulda insta-shoved since I know you have a ten here very rarely and I have one much more often.

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Originally Posted by Massimo

This is a little advanced, and is something that one would only do against a thinking aggressive player (which are most players at 5/10 plus), but you should consider c/c the turn and then c/r the river on a blank.

Thinking players recognize that the T is a very bad card for your range: You're not really repping much on the flop besides a set and KT or AT, so once the T hits if you were bluffing you'll usually shutdown (if you dont have a flush yourself). Marshall is probably going to recognize this, and realize the the T is very good for him because he can hold all T's, and he'll probably try to rep it. He's going to probably fire any T on the turn, all his floats, and all his flushes, and he'll probably be the river a lot too. It's a superior line against a player like this.


As played, c/f seems best.

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I appreciate the credit you give me here Massimo, but I don't quiet see the situation in the same way for these reasons:

IOPQ was c/r 50% of flops at the time this hand occurred, so I guarantee the only hands I was betting the flop with were ones I could withstand a checkraise or put a 3rd bet in. I think it's safe to assume on a board like this when I expect iopq to have a merged range a bit more (something like Tx), if I have JJ i'll more likely than not be putting in a 3rd bet on the flop.

If that's true, the top of my flatting range that doesn't include a ten is like 99/88/77. If iopq checks to me on the turn, I'm likely betting all of these for protection and for value from naked Ac or something similar to that, however if iopq flats my turn bet, I'm basically checking behind every river that I don't boat up.

So I guess I'm not exactly clear on how it would be a better line for him to c/c turn then c/r the river--- my river betting range after he c/c turn would be super polar to air and boats. Maybe this is because I'm not an advanced player or there may be something I'm missing, if there is, please point it out, but my analysis here seems pretty leak proof and straight forward in my estimation....