Unusual spot, float a c/r in 4b pot

I'm making a concerted effort to try to take my game to the next level. My plans for doing this are playing shorter sessions and fewer hands, but giving each situation much more thought and trying to see what at all I can improve, so I will be posting A LOT of hands in the recent future.... Here's the first of many....

No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($377.45)
UTG ($200)
MP ($212)
Hero (Button) ($200)
SB ($208)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $5, SB raises $17, 1 fold, Hero raises $31, SB calls $18

Flop: ($74) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $20, SB raises $64

Total pot: $114

Villain was getting to the point where he was a bit out of line with his 3bets, particularly in steal spots, therefore I felt this was a good opportunity to 4bet him. Given that he flats the 4bet (relatively quickly) and now c/r my 1/4 pot bet on K98R (a bet I make w/ nearly my entire range here), I can't figure out what he can possibly be repping. My hand looks most like AK, and if he were trying to get value from AK w/ a set, it's a 4bet pot there's no reason to pump the pot, I'm going to be shoving all the money in by the river regardless. If he has a hand like JT why wouldn't he just take the nice pot odds I'm offering him? If he has something like KQ, why wouldn't he just call as he is in a WA/WB so might as well extract value from my bluffs.

I can't think of one hand he does this with as bluff or for value, so I floated the c/r, turn comes 9c and he just jams in for the last $100.

I have no idea what to make of his play, what he reps or what he was thinking. Any ideas ?

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can't think of one hand he does this with as bluff or for value

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btw. there's already a 9c on the flop, so turn was probably something else.

It sounds like a lot of your reads are based on the fact that he's a thinking reg, but you didn't really mention it in your post. I find I get burned a lot when I want to make sense of why he would ever raise top pair here but then I get shown KJs and he was just raising because he had top pair and didn't know what else to do.

Basically what I'm saying is I don't think very many regs make logical plays in non-standard spots that haven't been analyzed to death. So I don't think you should attempt a soul read here based on "it wouldn't make sense for him to do this here" because you're assuming he thinks about a hand as much as you do.

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Originally Posted by Galapogos

It sounds like a lot of your reads are based on the fact that he's a thinking reg, but you didn't really mention it in your post. I find I get burned a lot when I want to make sense of why he would ever raise top pair here but then I get shown KJs and he was just raising because he had top pair and didn't know what else to do.

Basically what I'm saying is I don't think very many regs make logical plays in non-standard spots that haven't been analyzed to death. So I don't think you should attempt a soul read here based on "it wouldn't make sense for him to do this here" because you're assuming he thinks about a hand as much as you do.

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why WOULDN'T you raise KJ in a 4b pot? Unless you have a read on marshall that he's going to be barrelling (which he will) :D

villian got a king.

I think first step is to just call his raise and see a turn

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Originally Posted by Da GOAT

I think first step is to just call his raise and see a turn

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You mean first step is folding. Even if it seems odd that he would do this with a strong hand, as long as he's basically never doing it with a weak hand (which I believe is the case here after preflop action), he's a huge favorite to have a big hand.

Yes, I actually meant if ur planning on staying in the hand then a call is better than shoving.