10bi downswong.

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06-10-2009, 05:52 AM
WillburForce

10bi downswong.

Yesterday i dropped 10 buy-ins. $50nl 6max pretty much all to bad beats/coolers, though I need to go over the hands. ie K-K cracked on 2 tables at same time (one of which I hit trips on flop, he runner-runnered a straight). K-K running into A-A. My A-A getting rivered by K-K etc etc etc ....

I'm still easily rolled for $50nl (31 buyins), but I'm considering playing $20nl (my site don't have $25nl) for a bit to get some confidence back and take the pressure off.

Is this a waste of time? Should I just shrug it off and play my level and only drop down when I get to 25 buy-ins?

Guess this is just a moan, but do any of you drop down for a bit when variance bites like a cockmonkey?
06-10-2009, 06:07 AM
Fnord

When you feel confident play big(er)
When you feel beat down, drop down in stakes
06-10-2009, 06:15 AM
BigPapi

yeah, what Fnord said
06-10-2009, 06:21 AM
Luco

drop a table or two as well.
06-10-2009, 06:36 AM
Seasider

I'd drop down to get that winning feeling back. Poker is a confidence game and when you are downswinging its easy to think "I'm beaten - screw it shove".

What about changing sites and doing a quick bonus somewhere? From memory you are on betscare where the player pool is pretty small and grinding against the same three or four regs and two fish with $30 on all your tables can get old quickly (especially when losing!).
06-10-2009, 06:48 AM
bigspenda73

wtfnits

move up to 600nl and win that shit back in 5 minutes
06-10-2009, 06:52 AM
WillburForce

i'm going with Spenda. EZ game...

serious though, I think i'll drop down for a week or so.

May have a look at some other sites, but the hassle of withdrawing, then setting up again is putting me off.

Any sites you'd recommend Seasider? Soft Eurosites ideally, with a nice bonus.
06-10-2009, 06:58 AM
AnTman_69

Goto party poker imo. I deposited $250 there a couple of weeks ago and have turned it into 1400, in 2k hands. There's some crazy fish playing there.
06-10-2009, 07:08 AM
bjsaust

I just dropped 10 buyins at 100nl and planned to move down to 50nl for a bit. I ended up playing some 200nl tables instead. Go figure.

Definately a comfort thing.
06-10-2009, 07:37 AM
bode

drop tables and focus more for a few sessions.
06-10-2009, 07:39 AM
Seasider

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnTman_69

Goto party poker imo. I deposited $250 there a couple of weeks ago and have turned it into 1400, in 2k hands. There's some crazy fish playing there.

I just did this after there was a thread in Online Poker Rooms forum re their new rewards scheme and saw they were also offering me a bonus for this month. Get in before the word gets out imo :lol:

I quit betfair for a bit on Sat after one beat and disconnect too many! The party software is much better (tables not popping up infront of one another while acting, HUD not strobing, seems to use less cpu resources and no disconnects yet). Also a much bigger player pool and far more tables to choose from from what i can see (played 25 and 50 so far) so you don't need to get into mindgames with the same few players. You can also play a S&G if you fancy without waiting 30 mins for it to fill.

I'll probably leave my last cake payment on betfair for drunken gambling with my mates but am happy with my jump so far (and i've run sets into quads twice so not influenced by results)...
06-10-2009, 07:53 AM
WillburForce

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seasider

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnTman_69

Goto party poker imo. I deposited $250 there a couple of weeks ago and have turned it into 1400, in 2k hands. There's some crazy fish playing there.

I just did this after there was a thread in Online Poker Rooms forum re their new rewards scheme and saw they were also offering me a bonus for this month. Get in before the word gets out imo :lol:

I quit betfair for a bit on Sat after one beat and disconnect too many! The party software is much better (tables not popping up infront of one another while acting, HUD not strobing, seems to use less cpu resources and no disconnects yet). Also a much bigger player pool and far more tables to choose from from what i can see (played 25 and 50 so far) so you don't need to get into mindgames with the same few players. You can also play a S&G if you fancy without waiting 30 mins for it to fill.

I'll probably leave my last cake payment on betfair for drunken gambling with my mates but am happy with my jump so far (and i've run sets into quads twice so not influenced by results)...

I mighthave a little looksie then. maybe spead my roll. cheers for info :D
06-10-2009, 09:15 AM
Robb

fnord > spenda ITT

I have dropped back to 50nl a couple times recently while still rolled for 100nl. And I've had a couple -10BI downswongs this year. The whole point is to play confident, profitable pokerz. If you're head is a bit messed up from bad beats, you're not gonna be playing your best. So a drop down CAN be a great idea, especially if you quickly regain that razor sharp game that got you up here to begin with.
06-10-2009, 09:30 AM
Da GOAT

How can u lose 10 in a day
06-10-2009, 10:45 AM
WillburForce

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

How can u lose 10 in a day

thats what I thought until yesterday.

then....

1) K-K < A-J after I flop a set, he runner runners me...
2) K-K < Q-J all-in pre (fish) and he flops a straight
3) A-A < K-K to another straight on river
4) 2-2 < K-K afer I flop a set
etc etc etc
10) i'm about to stop for night. K-K......all-in pre. he has A-A. Thge final kick in the goolies.

still thats why we have a solid bankroll. I'm not busto. And tonight lady variance can swong back my way!
06-10-2009, 11:09 AM
Robb

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

How can u lose 10 in a day

At what point do you just ditch pokerz for the day when you're runnin' ice cold? Just curious. I should probably stop at 4-5 BI in losses per day, since if I'm not tilty/spewy by then, I'm real close.
06-10-2009, 11:51 AM
Jason

Re: 10bi downswong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillburForce

Guess this is just a moan, but do any of you drop down for a bit when variance bites like a cockmonkey?

I guess I'm different than most players because I specifically do NOT drop stakes until I hit my stop loss because learning to play optimally through suboptimal conditions or results is a key skill I want to possess. To drop down to gain confidence is an admission that I do not have that skill or wish to attain it. This would be true if I wasn't playing well, but especially if I was playing well and mainly getting bad beats.

Now, I do have a daily stop loss of 5% of my bankroll where I won't continue playing for the day if I hit it, but I prefer not to drop stakes until I hit the 20 buy-in mark for the stake I'm at.
06-10-2009, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

How can u lose 10 in a day

yo, I was a 6 ptBB/100 winner last month and I dropped 10 buyins the FIRST OF THE MONTH
then I proceeded to win back 2 later in the session and I'm in the green as of now and if I don't have another shitty day like that I'll probably have 4-5ptBB/100 by the end of the month as well
06-10-2009, 12:31 PM
daven

play 25nl on party and laugh as the bonus clears and the fish donate

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seasider

I just did this after there was a thread in Online Poker Rooms forum re their new rewards scheme and saw they were also offering me a bonus for this month. Get in before the word gets out imo :lol:

i hope i didn't break everything by telling everyone to go back to Party... I like that fishpond, and having it to myself would be nice.

Seriously though, lets play for stacks (pm your sigs ;) )
06-10-2009, 02:20 PM
Da GOAT

my point is stop loss and self control
06-10-2009, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

my point is stop loss and self control

wtf do I need a stoploss for
if I had a stoploss I'd end up 10 BIs down
but I ended up getting 2 BIs up before quitting

I played just fine
06-10-2009, 04:36 PM
Galapogos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

How can u lose 10 in a day

<---- lost 15 in 800 hands.
<---- not a tilter
06-10-2009, 05:19 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galapogos

<---- lost 15 in 800 hands.
<---- not a tilter

<---- 12 buy-in downswing is the worst I've had
<---- Tilter
06-10-2009, 05:46 PM
Silly String

fx of winrate
06-10-2009, 05:47 PM
bode

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galapogos

<---- lost 15 in 800 hands.
<---- not a tilter

<---- 12 buy-in downswing is the worst I've had
<---- Tilter

<---- 10 buying downer on sunday
<---- only 2 from pure tilt/spew
06-10-2009, 06:26 PM
Seasider

<---- 10 buy in's 1 session two months ago (despite leaving 1 table 5 up)
<---- Bottle of rum

The funniest bit was the people who had obviously buddy listed me stalking me after (fair enough probably!).
06-10-2009, 07:49 PM
WillburForce

quick update...decided to keep grindin' at $50nl

+8 buyin's tongiht.

variance queen giveth and taketh (and some fishy mug who likes to stack off with middle pair and reload and reload and reload...)
06-10-2009, 08:40 PM
Galapogos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seasider

The funniest bit was the people who had obviously buddy listed me stalking me after (fair enough probably!).

lol, I had a week some time last year when my game just totally detoriated for some reason plus I was running super bad (<-- probably why right there). All these guys I had marked as bad tags (for when there's no real fish around) just kept coming to me. At first I thought this was great because I didn't have to table select.

Then I realized I was playing so bad that these tagfish viewed me as bad enough that I was someone worth chasing. It was a humbling realization to say the least.
06-10-2009, 09:59 PM
oskar

I had my worst day in a while today with -6BI @100NL... it's easy. Let them have the top of their range every hand, miss some draws, AKs < J7, Q4, AA, AA, AA, AA, and there you go.
I do tilt, but I don't think much of todays loss was due to tilt.

-10BI since yesterday.

I'm not going to take a break, but I will finally move some money over to titan, clear the bonus and get HEM omaha.
Will probably move down to 50NL, but just becaue I'm not going to deposit more than 1k and I want to be able to play 8-12 tables there.
06-10-2009, 11:45 PM
dsaxton

Move up to a limit where you can recoup your losses with a single all-in blind steal.
06-11-2009, 12:40 AM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsaxton

Move up to a limit where you can recoup your losses with a single all-in blind steal.

pwn more threads please
06-11-2009, 02:13 AM
thizzSantaCruz

im down 14k in the last month? hopefully that will help.
06-11-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by thizzSantaCruz

im down 14k in the last month? hopefully that will help.

but how much did you win?
06-12-2009, 04:43 AM
TonyB73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galapogos

<---- lost 15 in 800 hands.
<---- not a tilter

<---- 12 buy-in downswing is the worst I've had
<---- Tilter

In one session, or overall?

My worst is 31 buy-ins over about 20K hands at 50NL.

But I sometimes tilt AND I suck at poker AND I was 16 buy-ins below EV on all-ins.

In one session I don't think I've lost more than 5-6 buy-ins.
06-12-2009, 03:00 PM
Galapogos

It was one session, the next one I lost 5 more and stayed away for a few days. I was pretty sure it wasn't tilt after after that harsh drop I had to step back and make sure.

There was a little bit of tilt play in the 20 bi total but it didn't really seem to account for more than 3. It's not like I was tilt shoved 72o or anything. Just simply had a lot of sets not hold up. A lot of coolers. And won no coin flips.

I'm still suffering from it actually. I'm almost at a 100k break even stretch. It has really made me respect variance!

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