JJ in MP

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06-22-2009, 07:49 PM
Beck

JJ in MP

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($58.10)
Hero (MP2) ($52)
MP3 ($10)
CO ($9.25) the average short stack donk
Button ($3.15)
SB ($26.40)
BB ($49.70)
UTG ($55.70)
UTG+1 ($112) regular tight aggressive player

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $2, 1 fold, CO raises to $9.25 (All-In), 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $7.25,
Hero calls or raise?

I thought this was a tough decision. I am fine going all in vs the short stack. very likely I am ahead. or 54%, but the UTG+1 can have AJ+, JJ+. so should I re-raise now and try and isolate vs just the short stack? should I just call and see a flop and any non A or K board bet out? I really don't think folding is an option at this point.
06-23-2009, 12:03 AM
Parasurama

what are utg+1's stats? assuming typical full ring nittyness I would call and play carefully
06-23-2009, 12:38 AM
Beck

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parasurama

what are utg+1's stats? assuming typical full ring nittyness I would call and play carefully

As stated above he is an average tight aggressive player.
-beck
06-23-2009, 03:38 PM
daven

i think folding here is fine. You barely have set odds and even on a 742 flop you're going to be scared...
06-23-2009, 04:06 PM
kmind

Call
06-23-2009, 04:15 PM
ZwiFT

Call, utg is gonna play so straight forward with u behind and shortstacker all in.
06-23-2009, 05:19 PM
Beck

I honestly hate these short stack donks. They just piss me off
06-23-2009, 05:37 PM
DaGrinch

You have to call $7.25 to win $21.25. And you have position to boot. Looks like an easy call. I suppose it's possible that UTG+1 has a big hand and was slowish playing knowing that uber donk would most likely re-raise but I call and proceed with caution.
06-23-2009, 05:39 PM
DaGrinch

If you have about 7 min to spare then here is a damn fine instructional video on Pocket J's. Probably made the rounds on FTR already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP9CBtSW0kA
06-24-2009, 05:33 AM
daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beck

I honestly hate these short stack donks. They just piss me off

i hate having to be more aware of my play, my position, the position of other players, their tendencies...
shortstacks are fine. They mean more rakeback too.
06-24-2009, 06:00 AM
ZwiFT

Quote:

Originally Posted by daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beck

I honestly hate these short stack donks. They just piss me off

i hate having to be more aware of my play, my position, the position of other players, their tendencies...
shortstacks are fine. They mean more rakeback too.

If they mean more rakeback, they mean you pay more rake which in the end is a bad thing :D You just dont notice it on the surface :DD
06-24-2009, 08:03 AM
BluffCheck

calling seems to be the general consensus
06-24-2009, 01:53 PM
daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZwiFT

Quote:

Originally Posted by daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beck

I honestly hate these short stack donks. They just piss me off

i hate having to be more aware of my play, my position, the position of other players, their tendencies...
shortstacks are fine. They mean more rakeback too.

If they mean more rakeback, they mean you pay more rake which in the end is a bad thing :D You just dont notice it on the surface :DD

not if it's dealt rather than contributed, right?
06-24-2009, 07:30 PM
surviva316

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaGrinch

If you have about 7 min to spare then here is a damn fine instructional video on Pocket J's. Probably made the rounds on FTR already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP9CBtSW0kA

lol please tell me this video is a joke. i lolled the whole way along. the open limp/call/call in late stages was hilarity
06-25-2009, 12:35 AM
Beck

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaGrinch

You have to call $7.25 to win $21.25. And you have position to boot. Looks like an easy call. I suppose it's possible that UTG+1 has a big hand and was slowish playing knowing that uber donk would most likely re-raise but I call and proceed with caution.

That is what I thought, and called. Like you I am assuming that a tight aggressive player will want me out of the hand at this point and raise if he has AA or KK. So maybe by moving all-in he will put me on AA or KK slow playing him, and then fold.

any thoughts?

-beck

flop is :5c: :5d: :Td:
and as hoped, UTG+1 checks
pot (~29) hero ? feeler bet of 10-15 or strong bet 20-30 or check which i think is wrong here.