JJ Overpair, confused at turn check min raise

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06-23-2009, 07:35 PM
AFchung

JJ Overpair, confused at turn check min raise

I think this was a terrible terrible terrible fold upon review. If we call turn, are we calling a river bet? A half pot bet? A shove?

Villain is 35/10/5.5 over 38 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

UTG ($46.15)
UTG+1 ($36.75)
MP1 ($41.45)
MP2 ($50)
CO ($25.05)
Hero (Button) ($50)
SB ($35.15)
BB ($47.05)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
UTG calls $0.50, 4 folds, Hero bets $2.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $2

Flop: ($5.75) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.50, UTG calls $3.50

Turn: ($12.75) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $7.50, UTG raises to $15, Hero folds

Total pot: $27.75 | Rake: $1.35
06-23-2009, 07:47 PM
mixchange

I think your fold is not as bad as you might think. He's repping very little and I can see this being some rediculous slowplayed KK/AA or just a set. He can't expect you to fold to a turn minraise, and this line is usually not a bluff. He probably thinks he has the best hand, or is 'seeing where he is at'.

Anyway, I call in this spot and see what he does on the river -- sizing and timing will help me decide what to do.
06-23-2009, 08:39 PM
pokerfan

he probably got you beat but i'd still call his turn minraise and any reasonable river bet. Sometimes i can see a fold against very loose passive players over a large sample size of hands.
06-24-2009, 05:16 AM
daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixchange

I think your fold is not as bad as you might think.

i call though, and assess on river
06-24-2009, 06:09 AM

there's a huge difference between a c/minraise and a minbet
06-24-2009, 07:13 AM
WillburForce

I hate these spots. I don't mind a fold actually.

looks like he's trying to build a sneaky pot.

sigh, fold.
06-24-2009, 08:02 AM
BluffCheck

isn't c/c c/r the mortal nuts?? i dont mind a fold either
06-24-2009, 10:42 AM
siltstrider

I thought limp/calls at full ring were pretty much always pocket pairs hoping to flop a set and get paid? As BluffCheck just said, c/c c/r is the most common line they take, isn't it?
06-24-2009, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siltstrider

I thought limp/calls at full ring were pretty much always pocket pairs hoping to flop a set and get paid? As BluffCheck just said, c/c c/r is the most common line they take, isn't it?

no, this guy is a fish
but that just makes it that much more likely that he has something like A2 or even lol AA