100NL bottom set on a 4 straight 3 flush board

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07-20-2009, 11:44 PM

100NL bottom set on a 4 straight 3 flush board

The guy is a 19/16 nitty tag with a low 3b%

I snapcalled the turn because his bet seemed really strong, maybe only sets and flushes, but I think I have too much equity vs. random nfd/combodraw spazzouts
but then he tanked river forever, so I thought I'd snapfold to a shove, but he bet it really gay

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (3 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($100.50)
BB ($103.65)
Button ($166.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
1 fold, Hero bets $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $4, BB calls $4

Turn: ($14) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $9, BB raises to $25, Hero calls $16

River: ($64) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $25, Hero ?
07-20-2009, 11:59 PM
Parasurama

You might be good, probably not often enough to call. It's really the probability that he read your hand well and is value-betting versus the probability that he floated the flop, raised a 4-flush on the turn, and decided to bluff small on the river straight card.

But what do you mean you have good equity against random nfd/combo draw spazzouts? If you call oop and check blank rivers is he never going to put you in a tough spot?
07-21-2009, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Parasurama

But what do you mean you have good equity against random nfd/combo draw spazzouts? If you call oop and check blank rivers is he never going to put you in a tough spot?

I have a motherfucking set
07-21-2009, 12:30 AM
Parasurama

Right but what I meant is it's probably not a big enough part of his range to by itself justify calling the turn, especially if he is going to follow through on blank rivers with them.
07-21-2009, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Parasurama

Right but what I meant is it's probably not a big enough part of his range to by itself justify calling the turn, especially if he is going to follow through on blank rivers with them.

I have like 10 outs vs. a flush and I'm snapcalling blank rivers
07-21-2009, 04:43 AM
Da GOAT

nits dont bluff here
07-21-2009, 07:18 AM
Muzzard

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Originally Posted by iopq

I thought I'd snapfold to a shove, but he bet it really gay

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Originally Posted by iopq

I'm snapcalling blank rivers

Makes sense
07-21-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Muzzard

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Originally Posted by iopq

I thought I'd snapfold to a shove, but he bet it really gay

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Originally Posted by iopq

I'm snapcalling blank rivers

Makes sense

9 is not a blank because he could be raising a combo draw that hits a straight
07-21-2009, 09:21 AM
Muzzard

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Originally Posted by iopq

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Originally Posted by Muzzard

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Originally Posted by iopq

I thought I'd snapfold to a shove, but he bet it really gay

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Originally Posted by iopq

I'm snapcalling blank rivers

Makes sense

9 is not a blank because he could be raising a combo draw that hits a straight

Give me some hands that he falts out the blinds vs a steal that:
a) call/float flop
b) raise turn
c) get there with straight on river, that didn't already have a flush
07-21-2009, 10:08 AM

some random shit like 6c6s, 86, 76
07-21-2009, 10:50 AM
Muzzard

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Originally Posted by iopq

some random shit like 6c6s, 86, 76

Yeah 'nits' love raising the turn with this
07-21-2009, 10:52 AM
Parasurama

dude I think you're trying to justify paying off when people "could" have stuff in their range without considering the relative likelihood of different hands. I do this too and then I lose.
07-21-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Muzzard

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Originally Posted by iopq

some random shit like 6c6s, 86, 76

Yeah 'nits' love raising the turn with this

so maybe a river is a fold if he bets it at all and I don't improve but I can't justify folding turn because his raise is small, I need to call 16 into a pot of 64, which is 25% and I can boat up 20% of the time and sometimes get a bet out of the nut flush
07-21-2009, 11:18 AM
Muzzard

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Originally Posted by iopq

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Originally Posted by Muzzard

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Originally Posted by iopq

some random shit like 6c6s, 86, 76

Yeah 'nits' love raising the turn with this

so maybe a river is a fold if he bets it at all and I don't improve but I can't justify folding turn because his raise is small, I need to call 16 into a pot of 64, which is 25% and I can boat up 20% of the time and sometimes get a bet out of the nut flush

I never said river was a call or fold.

What I'm saying is he pretty much never shows up with a straight.

Your reasonign in this hand is all over the place. You say yeah I'm snapping a blank. In effect the river is a blank, so if you were planning to call a blank river then you call here. But then on the other hand you say OMG pot odds to house up on the turn.

You can't think he has a flush one second then think you're snap calling a blank the other. It's illogical.

Either b/r turn or b/c turn and call blank river or b/c turn, fill up and c/r or lead or whatever or c/f non pairing rivers.
07-21-2009, 12:09 PM

well you've convinced me that I'm not calling on a blank; and now that you've convinced me of that, you say that my thoughts about this hand are all over the place

but in effect the 9 is not a blank because when he bets it small due to it being a 4 straight board he has a big hand more often than if an offsuit deuce came off and he bets it this small
07-21-2009, 12:21 PM
Muzzard

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Originally Posted by iopq

well you've convinced me that I'm not calling on a blank; and now that you've convinced me of that, you say that my thoughts about this hand are all over the place

They are all over the place. You say you're snap calling and snap folding before I said anything in this thread. The 4straight makes absolutely no difference to his range. coz he never has it. You may have it, but its pretty unlikely, Ac6x/46s/56/76/ are the only hands you could rally have here, but you'd fold some of them to the turn raise anyway vs this guy.

If you can't even gather some coherent thought process in a thread, which you've had a lot of time to think about before writing... then how the hell are you supposed to come up with a plan in the 30seconds or whatever you have in a game online.

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Originally Posted by iopq

but in effect the 9 is not a blank because when he bets it small due to it being a 4 straight board he has a big hand more often than if an offsuit deuce came off and he bets it this small

Yes I agree it probably does make his hand look stronger, but he may like to post oak bluff you. Dunno, it's about reads here. He may be trying super thin value/merging his ranges etc. You never really gave any reads but stats.
07-21-2009, 12:23 PM

I said I'd snapfold to a shove, and snapcall a really gay small bet on the river if it's a blank
I don't see the contradiction
07-21-2009, 12:29 PM
Muzzard

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Originally Posted by iopq

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Originally Posted by Parasurama

Right but what I meant is it's probably not a big enough part of his range to by itself justify calling the turn, especially if he is going to follow through on blank rivers with them.

I have like 10 outs vs. a flush and I'm snapcalling blank rivers

You never said anything about a small gay bet.

I'm not trying to get into some dick waving competition.
07-21-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Muzzard

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Originally Posted by iopq

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Originally Posted by Parasurama

Right but what I meant is it's probably not a big enough part of his range to by itself justify calling the turn, especially if he is going to follow through on blank rivers with them.

I have like 10 outs vs. a flush and I'm snapcalling blank rivers

You never said anything about a small gay bet.

I'm not trying to get into some dick waving competition.

whats the point of trying to prove how wrong I was about a hypothetical river situation
07-21-2009, 12:46 PM
Muzzard

To get you to think coherently about your reasoning for doing certain things within this hand.
07-21-2009, 01:38 PM
TwoKicker

'Sup Muzz?
07-22-2009, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muzzard

To get you to think coherently about your reasoning for doing certain things within this hand.

I think that was 5 posts ago
07-22-2009, 07:23 AM
Muzzard

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Originally Posted by TwoKicker

'Sup Muzz?

sup?