Overpair multiway 475 bbs deep and it's not an easy fold.

The co in this hand is a standard reg running 21/17 with a f/3b of 70 %, co is another reg running 23/18, but the main character of this hand is the sb, a huge whale running 51/7 and can basically have any 2 in this spot.

I realise I should have made it a little bigger pre. Anyway I get a pretty terrible board for my hand multiway and if I bet and get raised I'll have to fold, so I check to eval, now the co's bet size leads me to believe he has 99-jj always with the slight possiblility of aj/aq d's, he'd 100 % bet more with a set in this spot. When the co flats he also never has me beat, far more likely he has a draw or a pair/draw, he would definitely raise with a set. However the problem is the whale, I cannot profitably raise as theres a chance the whale has me beat though it's likely I'm ahead, but by just calling I'm definitely going to get outdrawn on either the turn or the river 9 times out of 10. So what's my best play on the flop? c/f, c/c, or c/r to try and get it in vs either the co or btn?



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saw flop

UTG ($955.75)
MP ($513.75)
CO ($898.60)
Button ($827.40)
SB ($1909.30)
Hero (BB) ($2563.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
2 folds, CO bets $16, Button calls $16, SB calls $14, Hero raises to $66, CO calls $50, Button calls $50, SB calls $50

Flop: ($267) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $128, Button calls $128, SB calls $128, Hero?

You should DEFINITELY make pre bigger, given stack sizes and the fact that you KNOW the fish will call. Probably raise it up to 75-80.

As played, I don't think its a horrible c/f here. There are like no good turn cards in the deck at all, and that's if you're still ahead. There's also no real clear outs for you, if someone already has a straight.

I'd c/f now, but I'd probably bet the flop in the first place. I'd expect CO to fold a lot, button to call a lot and then you can see what happens. Can comfortably fold to a CO or SB raise on this board, but most of the time just iso with the fish.

Wow really, I'd snap muck it. And Grif i right, also given you have position vs huge stack you def wanna bump it up bigger pre.

edit: If it was 150bb deep vs both regs its a lot closer and prolly a raise.

Well you can't raise cause none of the good players are folding two pair. I'm guessing one of em already has you bet because with the whale behind i doubt the bettor is bluffing, and the caller could have a slowplay.

Seems like a fold to me.

id raise and try to build a huge pot. if the CO has you beat you can still win some money vs the sb !

After thinking about it a little more even though I'm nearly always ahead of co and btn, as mentioned theres a decent chance the sb has me beat, and even if he doesnt we're way to deep to be raising as even if we're ahead his equity is good, so I feel check/folding this flop is fine.


also my sarcasm detecter is going off after Gabes post.

i wasn't being sarcastic. CO can have tons one one pair hands (and alot of these he can stick the money in with if you c/r), button won't have a set too often, SB obv has a huge range, the pot has a ton of money in it. folding sucks. this isn't one of those situations where he has you crushed or flipping so you should fold because the pot is sooo big and there is the chance you can win a huge pot from the SB.

Solid points gabe. The only thing i disagree with is that co has a ton of one pair hands unless you're saying exactly 99, tt, or jj which i guess are solid guesses. AQdd seems more likely. But just combining with the fact that the button called with 2 players behind AND the sb may not even pay off (i feel like this looks like AA to a donk) its tough to justify.

But then again the pot is pretty huge and the button and co are only 200 deep. This is definitely a close one.

bet/fold the flop 138 or something planning to build a huge pot against the whale, the two players in the middle will be forced to play faceup to keep the whale in, thinking you are committed to AA and so a semibluff is nearly impossible.

if you encounter a bunch of flop callers id just c/f turn for the same reasons, their betting range should be super strong.

also, more pre