QQ oop with strange preflopness 100nl.

So this was our previous hand...

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Stacks:
CO Hero ($109.45)
BTN t.mara ($246.10)
SB NUKE TILT ($100)
BB FEL777 ($119.20)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 4 players) Hero is CO :kh: :ks:
Hero raises to $3, t.mara raises to $9, 2 folds, Hero raises to $24, t.mara calls $15

Flop: :9c: :3h: :5s: ($49.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $18, t.mara goes all-in $222.10, Hero goes all-in $67.45

Turn: :6s: ($357.05, 2 players, 2 all-in)

River: :6d: ($357.05, 2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $357.05
t.mara shows a pair of Sixes
:kc: :qc:
Hero shows two pair, Kings and Sixes
:kh: :ks:



And this is the main hand im a little lost in against the same opp. Vill is 18/15/3 with 6% 3b. So he's a little retarded...whats our plan.?

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Stacks:
UTG Hero ($216.90)
CO t.mara ($135.15)
BTN NUKE TILT ($101)
SB FEL777 ($108.70)
BB hasret112 ($66.65)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is UTG :qh: :qd:
Hero raises to $3, t.mara calls $3, 2 folds, hasret112 raises to $5, Hero raises to $18, t.mara calls $15, hasret112 folds

Flop: :jc: :8c: :kd: ($41.50, 2 players)
Hero ?

Given previous hand I b/f $16. He knows you'll take this line with a monster and he can't believe he has much FE.

Man seems like checking would induce him to bet a wider range here??? But given previous hand I dunno lol.

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Originally Posted by Dragon Slayer

Man seems like checking would induce him to bet a wider range here??? But given previous hand I dunno lol.

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Yeah i thought along the same lines. So you would check with the intent on calling a flop bet...and soul reading turn + riv oop? The more i think about it, B/f just makes the most sense.

I don't plan on folding, though I'd be more comfortable about it if we had aj rather than qs simply due to the fact we have blockers to certain draws he could be spazzing with when we have qs.

probably just c/f flop

Bet/call the flop!!!..... he's already shown the capability to spaz shove air. (fwiw I would bet something retardedly small like 14 bucks, then I'd c/c all in on any non club turn.

I would be a little concerned about the dude that min3bet squeezed though and likely would not have 4bet over the top of that without some read about what it meant.

lol. so far i've had about 4 different responses to the same hand. I'm a little confused.

i find the stats a little confusing tbh, whats the sample size?

It seems like a nit on lifetilt so far...

I'm not going to point fingers, but some posters tend to not give any actual reasoning or thought process behind their responses. I'd probably give those less weight (no matter how respected their game is) as they probably put less thought into the situation and obviously less energy into their response...

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Originally Posted by Marshall28

I'm not going to point fingers, but some posters tend to not give any actual reasoning or thought process behind their responses. I'd probably give those less weight (no matter how respected their game is) as they probably put less thought into the situation and obviously less energy into their response...

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meh, id rather think v. hard at their thought process and if i dont understand it i can just ask for further explanation....

pretty sure more often than not those posters tend to be right

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Originally Posted by Alexos

i find the stats a little confusing tbh, whats the sample size?

It seems like a nit on lifetilt so far...

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The sample size is only 50~ hands of the main nit villy. I didn't really have a read on the 66bb fellow. Just assumed fish and would have been happy to stack off against him tbh.

So far we've had c/f flop. B/c flop and b/f flop.... whats our best option and why? I'm not testing you.....just genuinely interested in peoples opinions.

Marshall, you intend to stack off on flop if our cbet gets raised? I think AK/AQ 99-jj makes up pretty much his entire range here....which would mean c/fing would prolly be our best option?

I intend to stack off if I make a bet size that induces a bluff. If we made a normal bet size I wouldn't ever stack off. But I'm also known to go to showdown A LOT. I'm a pretty decent winner and I do it quite often with success IME, so I doubt it's minus EV w/ our read.

C/f just because an overcard fell is kind of a pansy/scared way to play.

Lol oops for some odd reason i didnt see first hand posted.

Without the first hand I'd stick to my convictions. I'd c/f because I'd expect that opp will have a fourbet calling range that doesnt contain anything willing to bluff.

Considering what he did last hand its a tough spot. Seems like pretty much any decision is fine.

So many posts and no one stoved it yet!!! FAIL

I'd go with a c/f too.. I'd bet/call though if his range was wider pre and I could include some other FDs than AQcc, which I can't really unless u feel he was tilting or something after he lost that hand vs you. That's kind of what I meant when i said your reads were messed up.. he seems spazzy yet nitty so i have no idea what his range is anymore but we'll just go by his stats i guess.

and marshall, we also c/f because we don't expect him to turn 99/TT/Jx into a bluff on flop so it should check through a decent amount

hmm.....why do you say villain might be a little 'retarded' based on those stats? - they just seem nitty to me but maybe you meant how he played that kqcc hand.

Anyway, I think PF is ok but i might make it even bigger because of the previous hand which makes me think he's not folding and we should be playing this hand like the nuts pf. Sick flop...I can see reasonings for b/fold, c/fold, b/call and c/raise. I think in this instance I might get tricky/spaz and c/raise the flop intending on getting it in. It's hard for him to have many kings in his range and i'm not sure we're getting played back at that much by hands we're not flipping/behind with by betting whereas i think he's going to bet his air/draws/made hands if we check more. So I guess we can c/call but there's so many gross turns that I would rather c/raise and you can still get action from lots of stuff like 910 aj j10 etc. I would obviously be c/raise/calling and shoving any turn.

The fact that it's 130bbs deep kind of sucks because with 100 bbs this would be more standard.

k this thread is officially a mess now that we have a c/raiser too, enter nutsinho....

I just read the responses - I guess you guys might be right about b/fold or c/fold if we think villain is playing his a-game or within those stats. I guess i'm putting more emphasis on him calling a 4-bet with King high which seems kinda bad for nl 100.

I think a problem i have with my game....is not knowing how to adjust to opponents whom i have a strange history with...for e.g that spaz hand in this thread. I seem to level myself way to often and end up making bad decisions.

So i decided on c/f flop and it got checked through. Should my plan change in neway because the frop got checked. What difference does this make to his range on the turn. ?

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Stacks:
UTG Hero ($216.90)
CO t.mara ($135.15)
BTN NUKE TILT ($101)
SB FEL777 ($108.70)
BB hasret112 ($66.65)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is UTG :qh: :qd:
Hero raises to $3, t.mara calls $3, 2 folds, hasret112 raises to $5, Hero raises to $18, t.mara calls $15, hasret112 folds

Flop: :jc: :8c: :kd: ($41.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, t.mara checks

Turn: :9s: ($41.50, 2 players)
hero?

Usually when I'm caught or someone else is caught doing the shove with overs in 3bet pot they tighten up a little and expect valutown in 3bet pots.

B/F looks good

i'd b/fold about 28ish on this turn

Probably check again now and look to get value on the river if the turn checks through. I'd rather c/c turn c/f river than try to b/f the turn because when you bet the turn, some of those hands that he'd call a river bet with if you checked twice will fold since they also have to be concerned that you slowplayed a big hand on the flop going for a c/r or something.

dont think you can fold, but its gross because you're gonna get it in as like an 80% fav some, a 90% dog A LOT, and some mix as well, and your spr blows...

agree with alexos that hes tilting.

given all that id either c/c down or b/c 30, expecting him to shove a bunch of gutters and FDs and whatnot. in the moment i would likely bet/call, the c/c is to induce his mid PPs to turn into bluffs + SCs, if hes on tilt which we think he is.

errrgh i think c/c down is best, but tough hand