100NL, a super lame spot in SB vs BB vs a supernova

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12-10-2009, 07:15 PM
pokerfan

100NL, a super lame spot in SB vs BB vs a supernova

villian is probably not a decent regular running 16/12/3.4 with 5% 3 bet overall and 13% 3 bet in BB vs SB steal. The guy proudly showed his supernova status to the table :P WTF he called my 4 bet? Lame spot for JJ?
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($100)
MP2 ($89.50)
MP3 ($207.85)
CO ($100)
Button ($100)
Hero (SB) ($158.45)
BB ($101.70)
UTG ($101.50)
UTG+1 ($107.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif
7 folds, Hero bets $3.50, BB raises $11, Hero raises $28, BB calls $20

Flop: ($64) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero ?
12-10-2009, 07:37 PM
Micro2Macro

who is villain?

recent history would be of use also.
12-10-2009, 08:15 PM
Deanglow

c/f or c/c based on a ton of things
12-10-2009, 08:41 PM
pokerfan

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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

who is villain?

recent history would be of use also.

villian is nachoce. I just couldnt understand what fucking hand he called my 4 bet with in SB vs BB. Yeah, i definitely 4 bet/ call preflop.
recent history: he called my 3 bet with 77 OOP and floated on T high flop vs my 1/2 pot cbet. This flop still looks okay for my JJ though.
12-10-2009, 09:11 PM
Pelion

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Originally Posted by pokerfan

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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

who is villain?

recent history would be of use also.

villian is nachoce. I just couldnt understand what fucking hand he called my 4 bet with in SB vs BB. Yeah, i definitely 4 bet/ call preflop.
recent history: he called my 3 bet with 77 OOP and floated on T high flop vs my 1/2 pot cbet. This flop still looks okay for my JJ though.

then what?
12-10-2009, 09:23 PM
Pelion

AA? Meh, the K on the flop is so strong for any semi-reasonable range. Shoving clearly sucks. We only ever bluff QQ, and if he has anything worse than us we lose it. I think my default would be to c/f the flop and mayyyyybe c/c the turn. It is a really strong board for both of us, so he isnt necessarily going to want to bluff it if he has like 99 either. If he does have something like that it was probably to get it in on a non A, K, Q flop since he must know he cant sethunt. Part of the problem here is that every weird AJ or ATs he could possibly have brings in the chance of like KQ or KJ aswell. Were really hoping his range is as wide as AA-TT, AQ, but not much wider.
Did he bet at weakness when he floated the 77 hand? That would be pretty good to know.
12-10-2009, 10:03 PM
pokerfan

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Originally Posted by Pelion

Did he bet at weakness when he floated the 77 hand? That would be pretty good to know.

NO, he c/c my flop cbet OOP( i had whiffed AKo) and we both checked down later on blank turn &river.
12-10-2009, 11:25 PM
Micro2Macro

omg he was going fucking nuts today 3betting and shit i used to think he was just weak tight but its clear hes just super retarded and has major ego problems or something.

i 4bet him bvb after quite a dynamic of him 3betting me about 65% of the time throughout the session and he flat called and folding to my <1/2 pot cbet on 6xxr (this was my second 4bet that he called though).

im assuming he's flatting like anything suited to your 4bet since he's fucking terrible, and is 3betting way too much (he was on tilt i think) i might bet like 1/3 pot and call a shove because i would expect any FD, maybe even air to just shove over u out of frustration, if he just calls ur cbet probably c/f turn/river unimproved since he's kinda passive and isn't gonna do anything like float your flop cbet etc. i think he might just jam a fd cuz he's a horrid tagfish and thinks he has fold equity no matter wat.

im pretty sure he'd just jam like KK+, maaybe ak? pre, but then again hes soo bad he might just call with AK and play fit/fold on the flop...but you said he called ur 3bet with 77 and floated u..so he's clearly on major tilt today since he seems to be playing unorthodox (or maybe this is really his style and I've just got history with him playing more straightforward). it's hard to say whether he'd float in a 4bet pot though given the SPR...i think he's at least somewhat sane in realizing you won't be cbetting flop c/fing turn very often in a 4bet pot.

btw was I at this table? I think I might be MP3 :D

also sorry for the rambled bad grammer etc. just spewed my thoughts

edit: o when u said float u didn't mention him betting later streets, just calling...he's really passive like that postflop with hands that have SD value so just bet/call flop and if called just c/f the turn/river unimproved. (reason im betting (1/3 fwiw) is because he's gonna call anything like 88 or 99 that he 3bet u with, he probably just jams AA/KK/AK pre, and probably jam a flush draw but he'll likely not call flop and bet turn with a worse pair)

yeah i know it doesn't make sense for him to 3bet 99 or 88 pre but he doesn't know that.
12-11-2009, 12:01 AM
pokerfan

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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

omg he was going fucking nuts today 3betting and shit i used to think he was just weak tight but its clear hes just super retarded and has major ego problems or something.

:) I agree this guy definitely has ego problem and plays passive postflop in general.
Anyway, i cbet half pot and he snap folded.
12-11-2009, 12:08 AM
Micro2Macro

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Originally Posted by pokerfan

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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

omg he was going fucking nuts today 3betting and shit i used to think he was just weak tight but its clear hes just super retarded and has major ego problems or something.

:) I agree this guy definitely has ego problem and plays passive postflop in general.
Anyway, i cbet half pot and he snap folded.

lol jfc..his red line must look atrocious..he was putting so much money in the middle today and just letting everyone have it. I witnessed him getting cold 4bet, 4bet, called IP and raise/floated you name it. Guy was getting owned and the funny thing is his adjustment was 3bet more :lol:
12-12-2009, 02:56 AM
Fnord

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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

omg he was going fucking nuts today 3betting and shit i used to think he was just weak tight but its clear hes just super retarded and has major ego problems or something.

If this is the case, I like every street and might just go with the hand on a wetish Kxx board.