Time to make a biggish fold 100nl?

Vill is currently 16/11/0.8 ag factor. Have not seen anything out of line from this fellow...i've been pretty aggressive playing a few to many hands and 3bing villain a few times also. I don't think a lag image can justify a call here though. It would take serious balls for this nit to c/r bluff this turn after my super strong line. B/f turn for value ....is this correct.?

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
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Stacks:
UTG Schwicker ($51.50)
CO Londor ($100.90)
BTN FIFO31 ($216.15)
SB Hello Monaco ($189.70)
BB Hero ($163.40)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is BB :jc: :kc:
3 folds, Hello Monaco raises to $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: :ts: :jh: :js: ($6, 2 players)
Hello Monaco bets $3.50, Hero raises to $13, Hello Monaco calls $9.50

Turn: :5h: ($32, 2 players)
Hello Monaco checks, Hero bets $24, Hello Monaco raises to $64, hero...

I like your line and I fold without too much thought.

ewww, it feels so dirty though

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Originally Posted by bode

ewww, it feels so dirty though

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Meh. He isnt doing this with AA.

good fold i think

too wide a range?

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.235% 50.80% 12.43% 380 93.00 { TT, AJs, KJs, QJs, JTs, AJo, KJo, QJo, JTo }
Hand 1: 36.765% 24.33% 12.43% 182 93.00 { KcJc }

that looks right, and the stove confirms foldaments. very sick though

Gross spot, that stove is what I had in mind too.

If villain had AA, are we all assuming they would do anything but c/r the turn? Like c/c turn, etc? Because my immediate reaction is the line taken by this villain says we're beat, but if villain shares our opinion of our lag image and has THAT hand they've been waiting for after we've beat up on him, that they expect our flop raise to be bvb nonsense and thinks they are letting us hang ourselves...

Ugh. I still want to fold.

Is this a lot closer 100bb deep vs 150bb, or is the difference not meaningful enough?

I thought the stove confirms callaments...I'd expect him to slowdown with non-boat hands on river sometimes also

rly close either way

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Originally Posted by Alexos

I thought the stove confirms callaments...I'd expect him to slowdown with non-boat hands on river sometimes also

rly close either way

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This is what I thought as well. I would probably call although its not like folding is burning money or anything.

I guess I did the math wrong on pot odds or somehting here? why would you want to get it in 2-1 dog on average, with 130bb behind and 60ish in the pot? I guess I suck at using poker stove fundamentally

it's because ur calling 40 into a 120, ensuring you need at least 25% equity to call

.36>.25

is this correct?

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Originally Posted by bode

ewww, it feels so dirty though

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Sure does. But darn his line looks uber strong.

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Originally Posted by humanfugitive

it's because ur calling 40 into a 120, ensuring you need at least 25% equity to call

.36>.25

is this correct?

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yes, assuming no further action though, so thats why its close cuz u fk up on river sometimes

oh wait he didn't jam? Ok just looked at stack sizes, I can't fathom him ever bluffing then, I'm folding turn in that case.

I'm not sure a 16/11 raises QJo or JTo from the SB. Which would leave:

Board: Js Jh Ts 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.773% 16.14% 08.64% 71 38.00 { KcJc }
Hand 1: 75.227% 66.59% 08.64% 293 38.00 { TT, AJs, KdJd, QdJd, JdTd, AJo }

im not sure either, we should post this hand in fullring forum they have more experience with these nits.

fold is probably right given he's so passive.

Very clear fold IMO. This isn't even close.

Hmmm in a vacuum though is this still a fold? I can see AQs, AKs in opponents range a lot. I'm saying because if I had these holdings I would play it the same as the opponent.

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Originally Posted by zook

I'm not sure a 16/11 raises QJo or JTo from the SB. Which would leave:

Board: Js Jh Ts 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.773% 16.14% 08.64% 71 38.00 { KcJc }
Hand 1: 75.227% 66.59% 08.64% 293 38.00 { TT, AJs, KdJd, QdJd, JdTd, AJo }

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Seems accurate to me

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Originally Posted by silu73

Hmmm in a vacuum though is this still a fold? I can see AQs, AKs in opponents range a lot. I'm saying because if I had these holdings I would play it the same as the opponent.

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Do you play 16/11?

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Originally Posted by Marshall28

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Originally Posted by silu73

Hmmm in a vacuum though is this still a fold? I can see AQs, AKs in opponents range a lot. I'm saying because if I had these holdings I would play it the same as the opponent.

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Do you play 16/11?

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I see that my style of play (usually 25/20) would dictate opponents decisions but lets say we play without a HUD or its early in the session? I'm trying to study poker hands again after a long lay-off.

It becomes super unclear whether you should call or fold if your opponent here is an unknown. The question you are asking is one that is often debated and it's just as unclear whether one camp is right or the other.

I'm in the camp of "if you don't have enough information, take the route that's going to give you more information for the future" ... Reason being, if you fold here, you have no new information about this player.

Lots of other players are in the "if you don't know, default towards folding and wait to gather more information." There are probably way more people in that camp nowadays, but I guess it's just up to you to decide which way you'd like to approach it.

raise this flop against this guy without the jack