Floating Reg in 3bet pot BvB

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12-17-2009, 02:29 PM
mixchange

Floating Reg in 3bet pot BvB

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($234.75)
Hero (Button) ($221)
SB ($108.30)
BB ($103.40)
UTG ($233.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $11, 1 fold, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($23) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets $15, Hero calls $15

Turn: ($53) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($53) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $30

Villain is quite 3bet happy. I hate 4betting here and I hate folding. Then I hate folding the flop to this guy who could have a lot of garbage-type hands or just AJ+ w/e. Plan was to hope to see turn check through and bet river.

good way to play it, or on this board am I towning myself vs. his pair range by floating the flop? Obviously I plan to fold the turn or river if he bets, and I suppose its possible if he doesn't bet the river I have the best hand.
12-17-2009, 02:47 PM
minSim

I like most of it, but I would probably check the river with this hand and bet AJ-
12-17-2009, 03:05 PM
surviva316

practically everything that folds we had beat anyway. also, you're not repping a damn thing other than like 9c8c, 8c7c and 8c8h. maybe you could be going for thin value with like 77? other than that your range is really heavily weighted toward bluffs and there's a shitton of air in your range
12-17-2009, 03:53 PM
Carroters

Defo checking the river, I doubt we ever fold out anything that beats us. Splits probably look us up a lot too.

If I have an aggro dynamic with the light 3-bettor and he's seen me 4-bet a bit, I might 4-bet/felt this given that we've opened on the BU, and he's likely to think we have a lot of bluffs in our 4b raange vs him.

Flattings defo fine though obv.
12-17-2009, 03:58 PM
Alexos

you have the nuts check the river unless ure sure he calls you with K high or something
12-17-2009, 04:47 PM
mixchange

I guess I was too worried about checking behind and seeing AK
12-17-2009, 05:58 PM
Alexos

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixchange

I guess I was too worried about checking behind and seeing AK

....you chop vs AK, im rly confused now!!!
12-17-2009, 06:40 PM
meeloche

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexos

you have the nuts check the river unless ure sure he calls you with K high or something

This

If you say he's that 3 bet happy, depending on how much he 3 bets and how he reacts to 4 bets 4 b/c could be more profitable than flatting.
12-17-2009, 09:23 PM
Pelion

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexos

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixchange

I guess I was too worried about checking behind and seeing AK

....you chop vs AK, im rly confused now!!!

If he'll fold AK to a bet then were risking $30 to win like $26 which isnt horrible.
12-17-2009, 09:28 PM
Dragon Slayer

Quote:

Originally Posted by meeloche

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexos

you have the nuts check the river unless ure sure he calls you with K high or something

This

If you say he's that 3 bet happy, depending on how much he 3 bets and how he reacts to 4 bets 4 b/c could be more profitable than flatting.

Against a 3 bet happy moe foe this seems like a good hand to flat I would think. I would expect him to fire a ton of flops. I see what your saying about seeing how he reacts to 4 betting though. What if we had total junk do you like 4 bet bluffing here?
12-18-2009, 03:41 AM
minSim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexos

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixchange

I guess I was too worried about checking behind and seeing AK

....you chop vs AK, im rly confused now!!!

Lol I misread the hand as well :oops:
12-18-2009, 11:13 AM
Ravageur

I think this is ok and I think you do fold out Ahigh quite a bit. You just have to weight that vs the times villain was nitty with 7s/9s/10s which are less likely than him having AK/AQ imo.
12-18-2009, 11:37 AM
Alexos

not only do you not fold out A hi a lot with this betsizing (altho he prob should), but its also likely he takes this line with 44-77 and 99/TT like you said
12-18-2009, 11:25 PM
bode

bet the turn?
12-19-2009, 10:32 AM
gabe

i feel like he never has you beat, and he calls $30 alot with A high, i think you should bet alot more
12-19-2009, 01:48 PM
ATOTHEC101

You have the best hand or splitting a ton, I'd bet in an attempt to get him to fold his a highs, I think 30-34 is fine.
12-19-2009, 05:53 PM
sauce123

i think against someone really good you should actually be playing a mixed strategy here and betting like 40% and checking 60%? When you bet you wanna bet between 2/3 and full pot.

against this clown id just bet whatever, doesnt really matter he might fold a chop... if he does have a bunch of pairs like 99-AA then just check
12-20-2009, 10:12 AM
mixchange

sorry for the confusion, I meant Ax

but really i'm wondering now most about how to play these types of spots pre. I hate 4betting a hand that can still dominate a lot of the loose 3better's range,but it does seem like the easier route for us
12-20-2009, 10:57 AM
bode

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixchange

sorry for the confusion, I meant Ax

but really i'm wondering now most about how to play these types of spots pre. I hate 4betting a hand that can still dominate a lot of the loose 3better's range,but it does seem like the easier route for us

there's nothing wrong with calling AQ in position and playing poker. pretty lol standard actually unless you have reads that he will stack off with way worse or only 3balls AK/KK+ or something.
12-26-2009, 04:19 AM
Genitruc

i d bet 28 cuz bigger numbers are scarier but i like the hand and this is exactly what my line is with a pretty wide range in pos vs frequent 3-bettors (shhhh don t tell them!)
12-27-2009, 03:51 PM
Marshall28

Whether or not you 4bet this hand should depend completely on your general 4bet strategy. If you 4bet lots as a bluff you need to include this in your value range, if you don't 4bet more than 2% then just about always flat, and I'd typically flat 2 streets here against anybody I perceived to be aggressive (expecting to have the best hand and him to give up on the river).

I agree w/ sauce if we are playing higher stakes where players are capable of thinking on a higher level. I just don't think you have a reason to bet here against a guy who you perceive to have such a wide 3betting range. You're going to take down the pot so often that risking the extra 30bb or whatever just doesn't seem worth it if he ends up looking you up with a hand like 55.

FWIW against most thinking opponents I like making a bet of about 18-24$ on this river, it just screams like it wants a call from Ax and people fold a lot.
12-28-2009, 01:24 PM
mixchange

Good post marshall, although I really don't understand how AQ could become part of our 4B value range without some really rediculous dynamic with someone.
12-28-2009, 03:45 PM
Marshall28

Sounds like you need to open your mind. It's done as a standard at 5/10, eventually as people get better it will be at lower limits as well.
12-28-2009, 03:52 PM
Pelion

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marshall28

Sounds like you need to open your mind. It's done as a standard at 5/10, eventually as people get more aggressive it will be at lower limits as well.

It doesnt even need to be better. There are plenty of lagtards you can 4bet and go with AQ against at low stakes.
12-28-2009, 07:13 PM
WtfFml

Been said a few times, but I do like the way you played the hand. I understand why you called the 3 bet, and the river bet is fine imo. If he were to bet the river, what do you do then? And if he c/r's?