really standard spot

Villain is basically unknown besides that im pretty sure he's a reg. What do i do?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($612)
BB ($621.60)
UTG ($683.05)
MP ($726.75)
CO ($709.40)
Button ($770.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
4 folds, Hero bets $18, BB calls $12

Flop: ($36) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $30, BB raises to $96, [color=#CC3333]Hero

I'd call to start.

I think people know that they don't get much credit BvB, so I'd imagine he won't continue any crazy bluff on the turn. So if he has some sort of air/draw, I think we'll get to a river often.

He'll probably mostly continue bluffing on a spade, which is good.

(edit: though I just noticed his sizing, and think its pretty scary sizing. I don't hate a fold on an already paired board)

I probably fold given the fact that only seem pretty sure that he's a reg. There's just no cards I'm excited to see on the turn.

Given his sizing I feel like fold>raise>call since he's unknwon

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Originally Posted by Alexos

Given his sizing I feel like fold>raise>call since he's unknwon

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I don't see why raise would be better than call here. We're forced to call it off, and he might even fold 78 to a 3bet (but might bluff spades with it later), and we're only happily getting it in vs 78ss or 34ss.

Just feel like we're dominated a lot if this gets all in.

Yea this is why fold is best.

I don't see how we'll play 70% of turns though if we do call. It's pretty optimistic to think that he lets us see a lot of rivers.

i'd fold. Even if he's bluffing with A-x or K-x you don't get the odds to call a pot-sized raise.

sigh/fold

hmmm, assuming you were to continue in the hand, would you rather have Q9ss or two red aces here?

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Originally Posted by Toadstool

hmmm, assuming you were to continue in the hand, would you rather have Q9ss or two red aces here?

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You really think this is close in this spot? I know there are spots we're it's the other way around, but this really isn't one in my eyes...or am I missing something?

It was just a quick thought. If we fold Q9 here, on this board, then raising must be hugely profitable for villain? and if we don't fold Q9, then what is our equity against his range assuming we shove (or whatever we do to get the money in) and he calls? I'd imagine it wouldn't be much worse than our equity with two red aces if we shove? I said red aces because I think they'd do slightly better than if we two black aces, as it eliminates the Axss combos. lets say we shove, and he calls with a draw 50% of the time, and 6x 50% of the time.

Hand 0: 28.333% 28.32% 00.02% 2523 1.50 { AA }
Hand 1: 71.667% 71.65% 00.02% 6384 1.50 { As8s, Kh6d }


Hand 0: 22.854% 22.63% 00.23% 448 4.50 { Qs9s }
Hand 1: 77.146% 76.92% 00.23% 1523 4.50 { As8s, Kh6d }

Obviously this is really simplistic, and there are a lot more factors, Q9 does a lot better against a range which is more heavily weighted towards 6x than draws. The more his range consists of draws (good ones) the better AA does.

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Originally Posted by Toadstool

It was just a quick thought. If we fold Q9 here, on this board, then raising must be hugely profitable for villain? and if we don't fold Q9, then what is our equity against his range assuming we shove (or whatever we do to get the money in) and he calls? I'd imagine it wouldn't be much worse than our equity with two red aces if we shove? I said red aces because I think they'd do slightly better than if we two black aces, as it eliminates the Axss combos. lets say we shove, and he calls with a draw 50% of the time, and 6x 50% of the time.

Hand 0: 28.333% 28.32% 00.02% 2523 1.50 { AA }
Hand 1: 71.667% 71.65% 00.02% 6384 1.50 { As8s, Kh6d }


Hand 0: 22.854% 22.63% 00.23% 448 4.50 { Qs9s }
Hand 1: 77.146% 76.92% 00.23% 1523 4.50 { As8s, Kh6d }

Obviously this is really simplistic, and there are a lot more factors, Q9 does a lot better against a range which is more heavily weighted towards 6x than draws. The more his range consists of draws (good ones) the better AA does.

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Because villain is basically unknown we don't really have to worry about getting exploited for now. Also because of that we should give him a fair range of made hands and draws. Once we expect villain to be raising enough to exploit is (or just raising light), our hand is one of the first to get an easy shove I agree.

Not sure if that really counts at 600NL though and if we should generally give standard villains wider ranges, but this is how I approach my SS games.

Not many people fold a FD here even though its correct.