Some thoughtful ones.

Villain is a player i used to play with a lo and i thought he was very good, then i didnt really play 6max for a while, and now since ive been playing it much more ive encountered him a few times. Seems like kind of a bumhunter who's playing TAGG but probably plays solid. Don't remember what my image was but it couldnt be too spewy.

Given that my hand looks like Tx or a low flush, more likely a low flush by the turn, i just find it hard to believe im winning like ever with the river betsize, maybe a qxhh. I really think this isnt a bluff but you guys could think otherwise.

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Button ($2604.20)
SB ($484.60)
Hero (BB) ($3362)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
Button bets $25, SB calls $20, Hero calls $15

Flop: ($79.50) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $60, 1 fold, Hero calls $60

Turn: ($199.50) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $180, Button raises to $530, Hero calls $350

River: ($1259.50) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1140

Villain here is also a solid tagg. I feel like if i shove the turn here im only getting called by something im losing too unless he has maybe KK or QQ. Then again, he's probably betting this turn very wide so im going to take this pot a lot. Also i feel like if i just call i have no idea what is betting frequencies are on the river and could make a bad call or fold.
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Hero (SB) ($2000)
BB ($3855.50)
UTG ($4339)
MP ($2030)
Button ($2097.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
2 folds, Button bets $60, Hero raises to $200, 1 fold, Button calls $140

Flop: ($420) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $240, Button calls $240

Turn: ($900) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $440, Hero

Villain on this side is kind of a fishy reg, plays kinda loose not real aggro. didnt think he'd 5bet shove any bluffs over my 4bet so i thought it was alright.

At this point it really looks like he has 99 or TT doesn't it (maybe JJ, i'm going to discount it a bit)? So my question is, do you bluff? And where and how do you do it?

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Hero (MP) ($1297)
CO ($1531)
Button ($1000)
SB ($2233.50)
BB ($1137)
UTG ($1023)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
1 fold, Hero bets $30, 1 fold, Button calls $30, SB raises to $130, 1 fold, Hero raises to $260, 1 fold, SB calls $130

Flop: ($560) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $170, SB calls $170

Turn: ($900) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks

i think hand 1 is a fold

hand 2 I hate life and guess

hand 3 i fold pre and would probably bluff as played

1: I would b/f the turn, even though it seems absurd. Also fold pre. As played I would call because I called the turn and it's clearly bad vs anyone solid.

2: I would c/c down as played but I hate your line.

3: I think his most likely hands are QQ and AK. I don't like any of it, but you shouldn't cbet this small if you are planning to give up. I mean what's he folding that beats you? You need to spew more money in the pot immediately. Just go $170 again and shove river or whatever.

1) I don't really get leading turn. I think this is a pretty good spot to lead flop and bet 3 on most cards. As played I don't think he'd try to bluff you when you take this line.

In hand one, do you think your range is capped at a flush here in his eyes? Also, you say your hand looks like a low flush? is this because he'd expect you play a higher flush differently, so he'd put less weight to them? On the river he knows your hand is a bluffcatcher, and your calling range is going to be relatively inelastic, so when he bets that big I'd tend to weight his range towards value. It's obviously really player dependent though so it largely depends on what he thinks of you, and whether he thinks you are capable of folding/what he thinks you think of him etc?

Hand 1: I agree b/f turn seems best. It's incredibly unlikely you get raised here. I think it would be a tremendous spew for someone to raise something thats not beating you unless it was a bluff and he thought you could lay down a flush (incredibly unlikely)

Hand 2: I'd bet/fold turn and check river and expect to not be bluffed by something worse as much as you will be bluffed by checking the turn. If you check the turn I think your going to be playing against a balanced range here, but not one with enough bluffs for you to want to c/c down.

Hand 3: garrrrr honestly id bet the flop more planning on c/fing the rest. I think its incredibly unlikely someone 3bets some middish PP here pre 88/99. I wouldn't be surpirsed if TT flatted pre. The J seems like a bad turn card. I'd just try to get him to fold the high unpaired cards that are better than yours and prevent yourself from being bluffed off from some spew call pre.

The problem I have with 170 and shove turn is your line seems totally credible for a bluff and you may get a call with something stupid.

why cant i see these hand histories?

with a little strain on my brain i figured out what was going on. i think your line is good in 1 and i would fold the river just because you have reached the point in the hand where i dont think you are getting bluffed enough

In 2 i would bet the turn 100% of the time planning to mostly check the river if called and read him if he put more money than my turn bet into the pot. it is hard to give good advice after bet turn since it is so hard to provide a useful description of your opponent on an internet forum.

3-preflop may look kind of standard but i am convinced that it is awful; i would do this under 5% of the time. postflop i think just shipping the turn is good, his range appears too weak to handle a potsized or so bet, and i dont think shoving here looks too weak/drawy at all even though i would usually shy away from making relatively big bets before the river in 3b/4b pots

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Hand 1: I agree b/f turn seems best. It's incredibly unlikely you get raised here. I think it would be a tremendous spew for someone to raise something thats not beating you unless it was a bluff and he thought you could lay down a flush (incredibly unlikely)

Hand 2: I'd bet/fold turn and check river and expect to not be bluffed by something worse as much as you will be bluffed by checking the turn. If you check the turn I think your going to be playing against a balanced range here, but not one with enough bluffs for you to want to c/c down.

Hand 3: garrrrr honestly id bet the flop more planning on c/fing the rest. I think its incredibly unlikely someone 3bets some middish PP here pre 88/99. I wouldn't be surpirsed if TT flatted pre. The J seems like a bad turn card. I'd just try to get him to fold the high unpaired cards that are better than yours and prevent yourself from being bluffed off from some spew call pre.

The problem I have with 170 and shove turn is your line seems totally credible for a bluff and you may get a call with something stupid.

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Agree with all of this except i think b/f turn in hand 1 is too weak and id just fold river

very much agree w/2 and 3: u want to gain a bet from his 7x and 5x and pairs and not polarize his hands to draws/jacks in two: his natural frequencies will probably be pretty good if u check

hand 3 i dont think ppl are folding enough to shove turn but i dont think it can be that bad either cause of metagame etc ... i think giving up is ok tbh

Hand 2: depends on your barreling frequencies. If you never 2 barrel bluff when turn pairs then I would c/c c/c. Betting the turn makes you look stronger than your hand is which we don't really want. However, check calling makes us look a lot weaker which allows us to catch his bluff.

Ok in hand 2 i changed the read of the player because i thought it was more interesting. In the actual hand the player was a dumb clowny reg. With this read what is your guys line?

$220 flop, $420 turn, $1160 river.

in hand 1, why do we like leading the turn? If we think it'll induce then ok, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. I guess it's to get value from hands he'd check back turn with but would call a bet which are something like: Jx, QQ-AA with heart or not haeart (though he might b/fold those) and Ah-K/Q/J. Just seems like our bet makes our hand faceup (flush) so I guess we should b/fold turn which seems nuts.

In hand 1 i feel like leading the turn is the only way to play it. Anyone decent is gonna c/back anything but Tx or better which calls a turn and river lead (leads that will be bigger bets than he bets himself).

hmm ok makes sense. I think I figured he'd bet the turn with a wider range but obviously not since that turn just pounds your flop calling range and he would prob be worried that you can turn stuff like KQ with a heart into a bluff and make him fold the best hand etc so no point firing the turn with a hand that can valuetown that but can't take any more heat (since you obv have trips and flushes as well).

btw thanks for replying, forums seem a bit dead since the change to the new format.