QQ 3bet pot, 150bb deep against assumed donk

Villain is 25/13 not very aggro and on the donkish side over a small sample.... Here's my first hand with him

No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($292.55)
Hero (SB) ($208.80)
BB ($200)
UTG ($362.05)
MP ($263.35)
CO ($194)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q:spade:, A:club:
2 folds, CO bets $6, 1 fold, Hero raises $19, 1 fold, CO calls $14

Flop: ($42) K:spade:, 4:spade:, Q:club: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $16, Hero calls $16

Turn: ($74) 4:heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($74) 7:spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $102, Hero calls $102

Villain shows 36dd
Total pot: $278


This hand is like 15 min later...

No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($157)
Hero (SB) ($349.45)
BB ($225.70)
UTG ($238.30)
MP ($343.40)
CO ($324.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q:diamond:, Q:heart:
2 folds, CO bets $6, 1 fold, Hero raises $21, 1 fold, CO calls $16

Flop: ($46) 10:club:, 2:spade:, 8:club: (2 players)
Hero bets $38, CO calls $38

Turn: ($122) A:diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $76, CO calls $76

River: ($274) 2:diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $188.30 (All-In), Hero calls $188.30


Turn and river look OK?

Not thrilled about the call in hand 1. We should know what he had before we discuss nr 2.

I c/f river in #1 to anything reaonable

Sorry... In hand one he showed 36dd

In #2 I like the turn bet but would c/f river. We should have established that he doesn't think you are folding much. I guess I don't hate it if you have timing reads etc. If he bluffed you again he's just really terrible imo.

Yeah this seems like a river c/fold. He's probably raising his big draws on the flop considering he's somewhat aggro (or at least capable of running a bluff) and ppl don't bluff as much these days in these spots where it's so obvious that all the draws have missed and you're obviously looking to get to showdown. I remember the good old party poker days when everyone would shove their missed draws on the river but alas that's not now.

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Originally Posted by pocketfours

In #2 I like the turn bet but would c/f river. We should have established that he doesn't think you are folding much. I guess I don't hate it if you have timing reads etc. If he bluffed you again he's just really terrible imo.

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Yah this all really depends what level you think he's on. If I just get caught in a big bluff with a reg/good player, I go out of my way to run a big bluff the next hand. Maybe I'm crazy, but regs are mostly on the level above, where they are like "wow he's not gonna bluff again, he'd be crazy to do that, I fold". They always fold.

But I also agree with P4's that I don't think people are on my crazy level, and won't necessarily do that, so I'd fold.

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Originally Posted by griffey24

Yah this all really depends what level you think he's on. If I just get caught in a big bluff with a reg/good player, I go out of my way to run a big bluff the next hand. Maybe I'm crazy, but regs are mostly on the level above, where they are like "wow he's not gonna bluff again, he'd be crazy to do that, I fold". They always fold.

But I also agree with P4's that I don't think people are on my crazy level, and won't necessarily do that, so I'd fold.

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I love your thinking but cmon this guy is 25/13.

I'd bet/fold $2 on the river.

lol the bet-check level. I'm embarassed to say this has worked on me in the past. I'll just call it with my air to see what he has instead of following through on my bluff. It's probably one of the most tilting things that can happen that doesn't involve a suckout.