3bet pot flop float

Villain 3bets probably 9-10% from this position vs me. Is aggressive and decent. No history though.

Anybody any thoughts on this?

No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Button ($277.59)
SB ($327.80)
BB ($272.40)
UTG ($128.55)
Hero (MP) ($200)
CO ($45.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif
1 fold, Hero bets $6, 2 folds, SB raises $19, 1 fold, Hero calls $14

Flop: ($42) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets $28, Hero calls $28

I would never fold here.

Board: 4d 2s 8c
Dead:

equity
Hand 0: 30.587% { KdQd }
Hand 1: 69.413% { 88+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, AJo+, KQo }

Thats if his 10% range is balanced... same equity its if its polarized too

equity
Hand 0: 30.046% { KdQd }
Hand 1: 69.954% { TT+, 66-22, AQs+, KQs, J9s, T8s, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, 54s, AKo }


If you float to make him fold on the turn then what better hands are you folding?
AJ+, maybe 99-TT but he likely calls a turn bet with those. If he's polarized then your not folding much better at all.
Your call becomes more for pot odds then anything else. so if you hit a K or Q you gotta be ready to get it in which is not too appealing

Rugby, I think those ranges aren't very practical.
I would use something like: JJ+,AJs+,A3s-A2s,KQs,97s,86s+,75s+,64s+,54s,AJo+,KQo for 9,7%.

But that difference in ranges doesn't matter that much actually, what does is not going with bare pot equity here as all the Ax hands in villains range give him a ton of equity.

With the range above, villain has A high or K high well over 50%, so as long as he isn't super aggressive on non A/K/Q turns, we can take the pot away on the turn a large % of the time.

I'd raise the flop instead of call.

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I'd raise the flop instead of call.

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I prefer a call to a raise, IP.

OOP, I'm c/r this flop 95% of the time with this hand.

if your raise is flatted are you checking behind IP and c/f oop on non AKQ turns?

I think calling IP is fine tho you can raise, my leak here would be the turn since if i fold i feel like im burning money.

If you call, you're only doing so to make a king high bluff on the turn. Only card you can actually like (besides a diamond) is a queen, not a king based on the 3-bet preflop. You are taking a huge risk floating here. Anyone familiar with floating knows how to counteract it. You're going to get double barreled on the turn (or check-raised if it was me), and be forced to fold. Obviously you don't hold a premium hand based upon how you played pre-flop, and your opponent knows it. If he actually 3-bet with the goods (or even a weird speculative hand) you're dead meat. So give up your 19 and move on. Poker is not about winning pots, it's about winning money. This pot is over.

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Originally Posted by tstrout

If you call, you're only doing so to make a king high bluff on the turn. Only card you can actually like (besides a diamond) is a queen, not a king based on the 3-bet preflop. You are taking a huge risk floating here. Anyone familiar with floating knows how to counteract it. You're going to get double barreled on the turn (or check-raised if it was me), and be forced to fold. Obviously you don't hold a premium hand based upon how you played pre-flop, and your opponent knows it. If he actually 3-bet with the goods (or even a weird speculative hand) you're dead meat. So give up your 19 and move on. Poker is not about winning pots, it's about winning money. This pot is over.

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This.

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Originally Posted by tstrout

If you call, you're only doing so to make a king high bluff on the turn. Only card you can actually like (besides a diamond) is a queen, not a king based on the 3-bet preflop. You are taking a huge risk floating here. Anyone familiar with floating knows how to counteract it. You're going to get double barreled on the turn (or check-raised if it was me), and be forced to fold. Obviously you don't hold a premium hand based upon how you played pre-flop, and your opponent knows it. If he actually 3-bet with the goods (or even a weird speculative hand) you're dead meat. So give up your 19 and move on. Poker is not about winning pots, it's about winning money. This pot is over.

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Brutal post! I hope y'all are taking notes...

If we're raising the flop, what would be a good amount?

A king turn is a great card for us because villain will rep it and it's not a scare card for him vs our perceived range. We can happily shove any K/Q/diamond on the turn as well as potentially get him to make some big river folds when the board runs out ugly. I prefer calling to raising...just seems like it allows us to fold and lose less if he barrels the turn big on a bad card for us (Ace, board pairing card etc) and it also seems more credible to me. If I raise here I expect to induce shoves from stuff like suited rag aces and overpairs so i'm usually only doing it for value on this kind of board.

I default fold this pre... i thought that was the norm? 9% with a small sample means shit to me.

i think its an okay as long as there is history to call here pre. seems to me he 3bet hero 9-10% in blinds vs MP.

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Originally Posted by Numbr2intheWorld

I default fold this pre... i thought that was the norm? 9% with a small sample means shit to me.

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If you fold KQs what do you call with? Assume he's really 3betting 9%.

fold KQs pre wat?