time to put villain on one hand and fold?

Or is this actually close?

Villain just sat down a couple of hands ago. prolly not a reg, but hasn't done anything weired or fishy so far.

$0.50/$1 Ante $0.20 No Limit Holdem
8 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($151)
UTG+1 ($292)
MP1 ($240)
MP2 ($259)
Hero ($309)
BTN ($295)
SB ($372)
BB ($106)

Pre-Flop: ($3.10, 8 players) Hero is CO :2h: :2s:
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $3, BTN calls $3, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: :4h: :2d: :8c: ($14.60, 4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets $8.50, Hero calls $8.50, 1 fold, SB folds

Turn: :4c: ($31.60, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $22, UTG+1 raises to $59, Hero calls $37

River: :7d: ($149.60, 2 players)
UTG+1 bets $96, $96 to Hero ($238.5)?

lol FYL

I dunno if I can really fold here though given that he's a random and surely randoms will overplay stuff like aces here? Especially given that the board paired reducing those combos etc...

how much did he buy in for/how did he get his stack to where it was?

I would have added that if I knew. He most likely bought in for 250. It was 7h into the session and I wasn't very alert. It's natisfinest, I guess you know him, but that was the first time I've played with him.

What I found funny is, when I posted it in IRC the same people who said it's an easy fold also said they liked villains line in the hand :D
Which idk I thought was kind of contradicting, but whatever.
I pulled off a Daniel Negreanu and called to see if I was right, and I was :(


I think I was wrong when I posted and I already had 170 hands on him but nothing remarkable... running about 20/12 with 4% 3b. and no notes on anything fishy. But like I said I was somewhere in my B-game with an alertness level of C-

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Originally Posted by oskar

I would have added that if I knew. He most likely bought in for 250. It was 7h into the session and I wasn't very alert. It's natisfinest, I guess you know him, but that was the first session I've played with him.

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gah, I do but haven't played with him in awhile.

he's pretty solid though, if you're unknown to him he certainly isn't ever bluffing...if you have history that may be different.

his line really reeks value so question is, is he value betting worse often enough for you to call? keep in mind he's firing almost 100bb's in on that river and probably playing at least 18 tables...

I think the way you played it and calling riv are a-ok

idk if this can swing it in any direction, but while I was timebanking I called out his hand in the chat and he replied: SICK READ

:D

I don't like raising riv that much and I don't like folding since he could likely be value betting worse= call

make sure you are near no sharp objects however

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Originally Posted by oskar

idk if this can swing it in any direction, but while I was timebanking I called out his hand in the chat and he replied: SICK READ

:D

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okay this is a huge amount of information.

if he wanted you to fold he wouldn't say anything? - because he doesn't know you and isn't sure of how you think, therefore he wouldn't want to sway your decision towards the correct one whereas by saying 'SICK READ' before you turn your cards over, those very words are going to make you even more curious as to what he is holding when he says that - you were already suspicious of being beat on the river but now seeing that chat is just going to make you want to confirm your suspicions because intuitively you're going to feel like even if you get nothing at all out of calling this river, you would expect to at least get some sort of information. Therefore I think his chat certainly would have pushed you towards the decision to call instead of fold whether or not you are consciously aware of this, and if you were at the time, you'd muck because he probably wouldn't chat unless he knew this hand was a lock for him. (not sure if I worded this clearly)

If there are any pysch majors around, please come forward.

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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

okay this is a huge amount of information.

if he wanted you to fold he wouldn't say anything? - because he doesn't know you and isn't sure of how you think, therefore he wouldn't want to sway your decision towards the correct one whereas by saying 'SICK READ' before you turn your cards over, those very words are going to make you even more curious as to what he is holding when he says that - you were already suspicious of being beat on the river but now seeing that chat is just going to make you want to confirm your suspicions because intuitively you're going to feel like even if you get nothing at all out of calling this river, you would expect to at least get some sort of information. Therefore I think his chat certainly would have pushed you towards the decision to call instead of fold whether or not you are consciously aware of this, and if you were at the time, you'd muck because he probably wouldn't chat unless he knew this hand was a lock for him. (not sure if I worded this clearly)

If there are any pysch majors around, please come forward.

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Hello, my name is Jamie Gold, and I think the chat was used very nicely.

what did he have? top set?

Either fold turn or call river, obv he's barrelling a ton after c/ring this turn so you should make your decision there.. I think call/call is best because he's unknown and could be doing anything (you can definitely see QQ+ or A4s here some % of the time..)

Just read 3rd post, if he's 20/12 after a decent sample that dramatically reduces the chance of those other hands and that means you can fold turn. Yes, fold turn not river. If you're calling turn/folding river you're costing yourself ~$30 since he will barrel this river so often.

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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

okay this is a huge amount of information.

if he wanted you to fold he wouldn't say anything? - because he doesn't know you and isn't sure of how you think, therefore he wouldn't want to sway your decision towards the correct one whereas by saying 'SICK READ' before you turn your cards over, those very words are going to make you even more curious as to what he is holding when he says that - you were already suspicious of being beat on the river but now seeing that chat is just going to make you want to confirm your suspicions because intuitively you're going to feel like even if you get nothing at all out of calling this river, you would expect to at least get some sort of information. Therefore I think his chat certainly would have pushed you towards the decision to call instead of fold whether or not you are consciously aware of this, and if you were at the time, you'd muck because he probably wouldn't chat unless he knew this hand was a lock for him. (not sure if I worded this clearly)

If there are any pysch majors around, please come forward.

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I am a pysch minor, and I can confirm that Freud was a badass. Not too sure about the chat though. Although, I tend to agree that villain saying anything is going to increase hero's suspicion level, and thus push him closer (maybe not significantly though) towards a call. And that on average a player would probably be more nervous, and apt to keep their mouth shut, if it were a bluff (or not a lock).

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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX

I am a pysch minor, and I can confirm that Freud was a badass. Not too sure about the chat though. Although, I tend to agree that villain saying anything is going to increase hero's suspicion level, and thus push him closer (maybe not significantly though) towards a call. And that on average a player would probably be more nervous, and apt to keep their mouth shut, if it were a bluff (or not a lock).

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yeah thissss

he's not saying a thing to an unknown unless he has 44 (or maybe 88) since he knows nothing about you and won't start chat leveling w/o any reads.

I'm not folding for 4 combinations. Especially if he raises 54s/A4s then your breaking even vs 4444 and 888. Assuming he is never bluffing or value betting worse than 4x. Also his turn raise is small which makes me inclined to think he could be doing it with worse. I think his line is pretty shitty though as he is gonna fold out anything that could improve and only cooler something he was going to cooler anyways.

Call 70% reraise 30%. never fold.

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Originally Posted by badgers

Either fold turn or call river, obv he's barrelling a ton after c/ring this turn so you should make your decision there.. I think call/call is best because he's unknown and could be doing anything (you can definitely see QQ+ or A4s here some % of the time..)

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QFT because I make this mistake a lot. Total lack of semi-bluffing hands on this board make it even worse to call / fold river.

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Originally Posted by oskar

I would have added that if I knew. He most likely bought in for 250. It was 7h into the session and I wasn't very alert. It's natisfinest, I guess you know him, but that was the first time I've played with him.

What I found funny is, when I posted it in IRC the same people who said it's an easy fold also said they liked villains line in the hand :D
Which idk I thought was kind of contradicting, but whatever.
I pulled off a Daniel Negreanu and called to see if I was right, and I was :(


I think I was wrong when I posted and I already had 170 hands on him but nothing remarkable... running about 20/12 with 4% 3b. and no notes on anything fishy. But like I said I was somewhere in my B-game with an alertness level of C-

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This is the easiest thing to fix in your game and improve your winrate.

As played its just a call. Raising doesn't have value.