50nl - dem hooks

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07-11-2010, 12:45 PM
caddie444

50nl - dem hooks

Hand 1:

Button is Laggy for FR, plays 23/20 with an 81% fold to 3 Bet, 56% flop c-bet.
BB loves to 3Bet & loves to Squeeze, he plays 19/17 and 3bets from the BB 8%.

So I decided to flat pre and hope that the BB squeezes like he's done on multiple occasions. I also figure my hand strength is enough that I should be able to play a pot OOP vs the button profitably. Thoughts on flatting pre?

He now does squeeze and I'm wondering what my 4B sizing should be, is it better to 4B to something like $18 and shove most flops or just shovel since he may stackoff with lowerpairs b/c lol I have AK...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($59.25)
MP3 ($178.95)
CO ($53.75)
Button ($120.75)
Hero (SB) ($58.65)
BB ($53.45)
UTG ($24.75)
UTG+1 ($45)
MP1 ($16.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with :js:, :jd:
6 folds, Button bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.25, BB raises to $7, 1 fold, Hero ???

Hand 2:

Villain here is I'vegot0uts (same guy OTB in last hand) 23/20 with a 56% flop c-bet, 57% turn c-bet.

I don't really like 3B'ing pre as I would like to keep his range wide and he folds to a high amount of 3bets (81%) so I would like to get some value out of this hand IP.

Flop: Pretty standard

Turn: I'm not sure I can find a fold here since his double barrel range is pretty strong, thoughts appreciated

River: Ugh. I mean from his perspective it looks like I could have a flush and he's def not spazzy/spewy, is this ever not the nuts?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($76.75)
CO ($31.95)
Hero (Button) ($63.05)
SB ($43.30)
BB ($50.75)
UTG ($50)
MP1 ($50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with :jd:, :jc:
2 folds, MP2 bets $1.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($5) :4h:, :2d:, :6h: (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold

Turn: ($10) :tc: (2 players)
MP2 bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

River: ($23) :jh: (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $18, MP2 raises to $66.25 (All-In), Hero FML/folds?
07-11-2010, 08:13 PM
PapalRage

Hand 1:
I prefer to 3bet this myself OOP. BB may love to squeeze, but a large majority of the time he won't and you will be stuck OOP against an aggro player with a wide range and at least one over will flop a high % of the time. As played, i guess make it ~18-20 so he might shove over worse thinking you are full of shit and he has FE.

Hand 2:
Flop: why is this std? He made a 1/2 pot cbet, raise for value?
Turn: raise for value?
River: Size of your bet is good. When he raises...yea that sucks. FML/fold seems right tho.
07-12-2010, 05:32 PM
grindinginnj

hand 1 I like to 3 bet this oop, as played I would 4bet lite and would stack off against villian.

HAnd 2 reraise flop bet turn c/c river is how I would have played it. I think your hand has a lot of showdown value. Its the obvious scare card he is going to bet alot of the time.
07-14-2010, 11:20 PM
caddie444

Quote:

Originally Posted by PapalRage

Hand 2:
Flop: why is this std? He made a 1/2 pot cbet, raise for value?
Turn: raise for value?

I guess I didn't raise flop b/c I wasn't exactly sure what to do if he 3B's, but I guess once I raise him he's prob only continuing by calling and then I can narrow his range down significantly.

Are you stacking off if he 3B's flop though? I wouldn't be too happy getting it in here.
07-17-2010, 12:20 AM
PapalRage

Quote:

Originally Posted by caddie444

I guess I didn't raise flop b/c I wasn't exactly sure what to do if he 3B's, but I guess once I raise him he's prob only continuing by calling and then I can narrow his range down significantly.

Are you stacking off if he 3B's flop though? I wouldn't be too happy getting it in here.

Barring a postflop read, I probably stack off. Villain's stats suggest he is pretty aggro, and I would think that he might be 3'bing hands like 77+ along with sets, flush draws, and some other one pair + straight draw type hands. I wouldn't be fistpumping, especially cause we are 120bb deep, but a fold to a flop 3bet seems bad.
07-18-2010, 05:44 PM
Deanglow

Sigh and shove the 1st sigh and fold the 2nd i think
07-18-2010, 05:59 PM
caddie444

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deanglow

Sigh and shove the 1st sigh and fold the 2nd i think

haha precisely what I did in both... sighs and all

Quote:

Originally Posted by PapalRage

Hand 1:
As played, i guess make it ~18-20 so he might shove over worse thinking you are full of shit and he has FE.

I think this may be slightly better than shoving for these reasons, if I shove it doesn't give him a chance to spew-5B-shove
07-21-2010, 02:49 PM
Outlaw

Hand 1- 4-bet/fold
Hand 2- Fine as played- River is a trivial fold
07-21-2010, 04:59 PM
Micro2Macro

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outlaw

Hand 1- 4-bet/fold

this is incredibly bad
08-09-2010, 02:28 AM
paratrooper99

Hand 2 - IMO Turn is an oppurtunity to reraise in position for value. I think 19 is a good amount here. You are charging the flush draw a high price to see the river which odds are now cut in half, plus if he shoves here, we know we are beat and fold without seeing the agonizing river. As played, knowing he is probably double barreling with set, nut FD, 2 pair or air, I probably check/call 1/2 pot or less on river and fold any more. Any thoughts on my line here?
08-11-2010, 02:59 AM
caddie444

Quote:

Originally Posted by PapalRage

Barring a postflop read, I probably stack off. Villain's stats suggest he is pretty aggro, and I would think that he might be 3'bing hands like 77+ along with sets, flush draws, and some other one pair + straight draw type hands. I wouldn't be fistpumping, especially cause we are 120bb deep, but a fold to a flop 3bet seems bad.

I did a quick & dirty stove of the range you said he may be 3B'ing on the flop:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

90,090 games 0.044 secs 2,047,500 games/sec

Board: 4h 2d 6h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.408% 47.27% 01.14% 42586 1025.00 { 66+, 44, 22, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, Ah9h, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ah6h, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah3h, Ah2h, KhQh, KhJh, KhTh, QhJh, 8h7h, 65s, 54s, 65o, 54o }
Hand 1: 51.592% 50.45% 01.14% 45454 1025.00 { JcJd }

We're flipping vs the range you think he's Stacking off to when we 3-Bet. My problem with this is that I doubt he would stack off with 77-1010/one-pair/gutters here often enough for it to be profitable. Just because he has aggressive preflop stats doesn't mean he will be willing to felt the range you gave IMO.

Quote:

Originally Posted by paratrooper99

Hand 2 - IMO Turn is an oppurtunity to reraise in position for value. I think 19 is a good amount here. You are charging the flush draw a high price to see the river which odds are now cut in half, plus if he shoves here, we know we are beat and fold without seeing the agonizing river. As played, knowing he is probably double barreling with set, nut FD, 2 pair or air, I probably check/call 1/2 pot or less on river and fold any more. Any thoughts on my line here?

I would rather call $6.50 on the turn than raise/fold $19. What are your reasons for raise/folding $19 when I can just call and keep his range wider? I think the only hands I am getting value from that are calling a turn raise are his FD's and his 10x's he decided to c-bet that just made a pair. I want him to consider that his 77-99's are still leading, and I may induce a bluff bet by him if he decides to bet a missed draw/thin-bet his pairs/air.

How can we c/c on the river IP?
08-13-2010, 02:28 PM
dranger7070

I like Papal's line of 4betting to 18-20 and calling it off, but obv shoving is goot.

Hand 2: bet/fold is a helluva drug.