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Why don't we put a church up in Kabul in honor of our fallen soldiers and see how that goes over. I guarantee the Muslims would never allow that to happen, so why should we put a mosque up at ground zero? Think about it America. Everyone is brainwashed by the liberal media into not hurting Anyone's feelings, well what about the feelings of the survivors of 9/11? Don't they deserve to not be hurt as well?
LOL @ comparing America to Kabul. You may have missed the point of living in this country.
Yeah, the fact that we're more tolerant than the Taliban is a good thing, not a bad thing. I can't wait until the people trying to stop this get laughed out of the courtroom.
UGH, THIS IS AN IDIOT'S LINE OFQuote:
Originally Posted by triumphant cracker
REASOING. ALSO, SlZE 7 BOLD
CAPS MOTHERFUCKER!
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
REASOING!!!! learn to use spell check motherfucker.
really now...is this called for? must you degrade ones thought.
The N is implied. And yes, it's an idiot's line of reasoning because you're saying "Well we can do A because they would do B." Allowing for your characterization of them to justify your own actions. Down that road lies madness.
Who gives a shit? And more importantly, why should they? I guess people should avoid building churches in Europe since someone who was a Christian once killed a bunch of people there?
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1945779
Here was from when I first heard this news. I hated the idea that they would build a mosque at ground zero until I found out it was only a small part of the Freedom Tower construction.
so..what you are saying is you really dont give a shit if they put it up? i mean its going to be right on the same spot they blew the wtc up. i dont think they need it "right there" is what i'm saying. thats just insulting.
like they are saying ....ha ha we blew the shit outa you and now we are gonna put up our shit right on top of your shit.
They aren't saying it. They aren't building it. We're saying it. We're building it.
lame. that we are doing it. lame that we are lame. i can't believe you don't give a shit. lame.
I'm going to put on an adult hat and talk down to you for a second. Just know, I'm an idiot young man myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by triumphant cracker
I can understand how you're angry about it. Muslims destroy our symbols for economic success and we bend over backwards to say, "Alright, guys! Don't you dare hate us anymore. Look we'll build you a mosque - right at Ground Zero." But from what little you've shared of your belief, the reasons for your anger are bunk. It's anger for anger's sake, someone lit your fuse and you're fully ready to blow.
I freely admit I haven't seen the designs, I'm not in the planning meetings but what I understand to be the case is this: The mosque is a small part of what they have planned for ground zero. A little offering to the Muslim community, those non-aggressive American Muslims who have suffered for the deep ire of a wounded America. An administrative admission that America, the melting pot, is fully diverse and is acknowledging it.
If you want to be angry about it, be angry because you know we can do better; be angry because there's a mosque two streets thataway; be angry because you yourself know what is being done is wrong. But don't bring this, "It's like they're just waving their asses in our face and we're asking politely to kiss 'em."-crap.
I was angry at first too until I recognized my anger for what it was, and spoon has the best approach. There's too much BS in the world, this Ground Zero Mosque debate is being coated in just more BS and my best BS-defense is who gives a shit?
This has to be the dumbest, most ignorant thread ever created.
Unless they call it Osama Bin Laden Mosque then why is it even relevant to the 9/11 attacks?
But all the Muslims attacked us. Every single one!
Don't worry, I bought a 103 inch television to make sure the terrorists didn't win.
It's actually two blocks from ground zero.
Opposition to ground zero mosque goes viral - The Globe and Mail
...Ms. Jones, who was taking pictures of the building for her family back in California and wearing a T-shirt displaying the Twin Towers. “I don’t want to sound unbalanced or fanatical,” she said. “Anywhere within a one- or two-mile radius of ground zero is not appropriate.”
Mosques shouldn't be built anywhere, including NY.
wtf if I wanted to think people on these forums were retarded as ballsack I would hang out in the BC, leave my commune be please
Religion didn't do 9/11.
If you want to actually protest the cause, how about you protest wealth inequality. Without that, not only would ME extremism not have reason to fight, but they wouldn't even be able to recruit and brainwash the young boys who strap bombs on themselves
Religion sucks butthole, but its not even remotely close to as evil as economic distribution favoring the special
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Originally Posted by Warpe
"Other politically-hypercorrect brainwaves to "bridge the gap and promote understanding":
1. A tribute to fallen Nazis in Israel
2. A monument to Hitler in Trafalgar Square
3. A bronze bust of the Royal Family on every First Nations Reservation
4. A memorial for the British wounded during their occupation of India.
5. A tribute to Marc Lepine at the Ecole Polytechnique
6. A portrait of Nesrallah in the Knesset
7. Ode to Beef Ranchers at the World Vegetarian Congress
8. Reinstating 'Die Stem' as South Africa's national anthem
9. A Ku Klux Klan wax model holding a noose and flag in the foyer at the National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People.
10. Jack Layton's portrait in the offices of the Conservative Party of Canada."
Your ignorance is baffling.
Where the hell does this kind of ignorance come from? Islam as a whole didn't attack us. A group of radicals that don't even understand their own religion attacked us. It is their intent to destroy our way of life. Freedom of religion is a basis for our way of life and to make exceptions dissolves our freedom and allows our enemies to beat us. The fact that this thread even exists shows that they are indeed winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by triumphant cracker
Nazis died in Israel?
Was it the heat?
The freedom of religion thing cuts both ways, as well. What I mean is that this Ground Zero Mosque thing is getting all the play not because of the terrorism thing, but because of xtian fundies who think this is one nation under god. The terrorism is merely the facade
If you're whining about about one religion, you're likely falling into the hands of another religion.
They took our jobs!
so US soldiers = terrorists? uncool. Now US politicians...Quote:
Why don't we put a church up in Kabul in honor of our fallen soldiers and see how that goes over.
Wow, this is the one issue that I actually side with the bigots on.
Probably not for the same reasons though.
I got bored reading your examples of other bullshit, but they all seemed to share the theme of putting up monuments to wrong-doers. There's not a big statue of osama bin laden going up, and the fact that you're tarring every singly muslim with the terrorism brush is so lol
I guess I should explain myself, so all of the liberals in this thread don't shit on my face all at once.
I hope they are unsuccessful in building their mosque. Not because of anything having to do with 9/11, but because I simply hate religion, and as far as religions go, nothing has served to poison world society at large and set an entire continent's culture back a thousand years like Islam.
It also seems to be in poor taste to me to build this mosque here. Its kinda like when you get on an airplane and and a persian dude is on there wearing a turban, and its like "come on man, I know you have the right to do that and all, but can you just not do that please?" Like, I'm glad that we live in a country where someone can still wear a turban on an airplane without being detained and anally searched, but I still think its pretty tasteless of that individual to do that.
OP really backs up my theory about needing to pass an exam before being allowed to vote.
So I guess I should say I'll be happy either way this turns out. Either they won't be able to and I'll revel in my hatred of religion, or they will and I'll be glad I live in a free country.
Hey you don't know he wasn't anally searched!
I agree with your general sentiment but think it's worth it just because it pisses off people like OP. Totally game for canceling all religion and starting a new one based on Haagen Daaz ice cream bars
I agree, but I'm willing to tolerate them. There are better battles to be had than disallowing this mosque - like taxing 'em.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Cracker can't understand that Bin Laden isn't the leader of all Muslims. That terrorists don't act for them all. That there are actual clerics declaring Fatwas against these terrorists and suicide bombers. Suicide bombers 'unIslamic' and going to Hell, says leading cleric -Times OnlineQuote:
Originally Posted by kiwimark
lol take off that silly hatQuote:
Originally Posted by Renton
fypQuote:
Originally Posted by renton
FYP, lol votingQuote:
Originally Posted by DanAronG
Meh, I'm as against Christianity as anyone, but it as at least somewhat adapted to modern times, and there are a lot of other positives to it. Its just a generally 'nicer' religion than Islam.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
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Originally Posted by drmcboy
Modern times have been adapted to/by Christianity, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renton
Whilst this is true, I find myself thinking that regular ordinary non-suicidal muslims should stand up and very clearly say to the rest of the worldQuote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
"Hey, these fuck heads don't represent me!!!"
Maybe have a march about it, a petition, I dunno, a fuckin mass fast, whatever, but do something. If they love their religion truly believe their religion is a beautiful thing & doesn't agree with this shit, then defend it. Fucking stand up for it, because right now a lot of people associate Islam with terrorism, and if something I loved and believed in was being associated with something horrible & ugly, I'd want to put a stop to that.
You're kind of expecting the world from normal people. If we could be moved to so easily act, you'd see great populations acting in unison more frequently than just populace protests in France and Greece.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanAronG
I suspect they'll all do what they always do, look to their religious leaders and wait to be told that they must act against other Muslims. An unlikely happening in a world where they see Westerners killing innocent, peaceful Muslim families in the name of oil or evil, take their pick.
The Triumphant Cracker is not so triumphant as he once was.
True. They are nicer. Take these guys for example: Westboro Baptist Church Home PageQuote:
Originally Posted by Renton
burn in hell boogQuote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
lol, at least homosexuality isn't a felony here as it is in most middle eastern countriesQuote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
Also, the christian wackos don't carry out suicide attacks like the islamic wackos.
Isn't the KKK a christian organization in as much as the terrorists are muslims.
Crusades? spanish inquisition?Quote:
Originally Posted by Renton
I think it is in poor taste given what happened and given the obvious sensitivity of the issue. But its not the end of the world i guess.
Also i dont mind religion in general, but i think islam is a shit one, women are second class citizens in it and even men have enough repressive rules to follow to sink a ship. basically its ultra conservative and i hate shit that is ultra conservative.
Yeah, because Islam is the only religion which says that women are second class citizens. I mean it's not like Orthodox Jewish men wake up every morning and thank god they weren't created a woman or the bible commands women to "submit yourselves unto your own husbands" or anything is it... Oh... Hang on...Quote:
Originally Posted by mbiz
And I'm not even going to dignify the notion that ANY religion is anything BUT ultra conservative.
This is all still further proof that the world would simply be a nicer place if we all grew up, put the bronze age fairytales back in the toy box where they belong and started being decent to one another. Not rocket science is it.
For the most part, Islam isn't the driving factor in 'Islamic terrorism'. Most, perhaps all, Islamic suicide bomber recruitment is a product of resource distribution. Things like al Qaeda going to families so incredibly poor they can't afford food then promising the parents that if they let them take their male child to live at their school they're feed him and clothe him and educate him as well as some rice and beans for the rest of the family now
But lo n behold they lied, and the school is nothing but a brainwashing camp that systemically starves and tortures the children while reading 'scripture' to them in a language they don't understand and telling them that what it says is that if they suicide bomb infidels they will no longer be starving or tortured
Religion is terrible, but it's a huge red herring here. It's ALL about how their economy works.
Wow, some people have really surprised me in this thread. Definitely don't plan on coming back to this one.
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Also lol at all the ridiculously tunnel visioned opinions in this thread.
My argument here is that islamic culture is still in a barbaric mindset of circa 1500 ad, but christianity has toned it down immensely since then.Quote:
Originally Posted by supahaole
i mean they still fucking stone people
Sorry, I'm just being real here. I don't think its racist, in and of itself, to have an opinion that a mosque shouldn't be built two blocks from wtc. The majority of the people who are against it are probably so for racist or ignorant reasons though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galapogos
Renton, I pretty much agree with you on the religion issue as a whole. However, American Muslims aren't stoning people, so the question becomes; can we cope with muslim mosques being built by the people in our neighborhoods for the purpose of congregating with other likeminded people? The second question is; are we willing to give up our civil liberties to prevent that from happening? For every freedom we give up because we don't want someone else to have it brings us one step closer to having no freedom at all. And again, if we allow our freedom to be taken away (or give it away in this case) we allow them to beat us.
renton, your problem here is that you're generalising far too much and it's coming across badly. There are muslims these days who stone people to death, and there are muslims who are very peaceful. There are christians these days who burn witches (look towards Kenya), and there are christians who are very peaceful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renton
Some turban wearers are islamic, some are sikh.. Did you know that in 1021 the islamic world developed a scientific method very similar to the one currently used?
What i'm getting at is that the issue at hand is always much more complex than it appears and has many more historic, economic and local variables. Failing to take any of these into account means that, even though many of your points are fine (apart from the turban one which is silly hysterical xenophobia at its best), you still come across as pretty ignorant.
wuf, while what you're saying about Al-Qaeda's recruitment is certainly valid for middle east conflicts, many of the 9/11 attackers were educated and well-off students who had studied overseas, and 3/4 of the London bombers were born and bred in the UK, with the fourth having moved to the UK from Jamaica at the age of 5.
whoa whoa whoaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ash256
Entire modern developed countries stone women for adultery, and they do so because their judicial systems are based WORD FOR WORD on Islamic Law. How am I over-generalizing?
I mean sure I'm lumping here some, but it isn't at all comparable to the christian witch burning example. There's no nation with 100 million people that still torches witches as a state initiative.
What I'm saying is that you're drawing erroneous conclusions. Some muslim countries are as bad as you say, but more muslim countries aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renton
Sharia law is fucking horrendous and is no doubt one of the most awful, backwards systems still in active existence, but your argument of "islamic culture is still in a barbaric mindset of circa 1500 ad," comes across as if you're drawing a circle around 1.5bn people and saying they're all backwards, violent and barbaric, which certainly isn't the case.
For the record, I'm not representing your argument as the above, but I'm saying that I've seen no sign of distinguishment between muslims, arabs, terrorists and peaceable people. And that's why I'm accusing you of generalisation.
pope told people in africa no condoms, give that 20 years to sit and it's pretty close
Yes I'm sure there are peaceful muslim people, and I agree that I'm being unfair to them. However, and I could be mistaken here, I'm pretty sure statistics would suggest that a huge huge percentage of muslim people in the world (especially those in the middle east) are totally down with that barbaric shit. My admitted bias against this religion (and all religions really) is going to make it tough for me to discuss this objectively.
When you equalize for socioeconomic status you can find just as much barbaric xtianity. The one and only difference between Islam and Christianity is that they latched onto different regions of scientific progress
lol religion. so much drama :rolleyes:
May as well open up a taliban store in the London underground selling fun, replica merchandise of bombs. It's not a problem, because if your against it, your racist!
I support this as long as they're labeled US/UK/Russia replicas and the store is called "We use these to murder, rape, and torture poor people in a country you can't pronounce, you stupid fucking cunt who, instead of making the world a better place by jumping off the nearest cliff, you decide to breed and vote"Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke999
lol wat?!Quote:
Originally Posted by triumphant cracker
islam didn't do that, some muslims did. Big difference.
some christians dropped a second nuke on japan after the war was over. Hell, some christians did some pretty bad shit a few years back (google - the crusades) yet we find churches everywhere.
I think your logic is flawed/fucked.
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by triumphant cracker
nice troll dude, i'm sure you are smart enough to see..
Mosques == Taliban stores ITT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke999
They must exist SOMEWHERE, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Renton
A number of people in this thread need to read this
Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
along with other things and educate themselves.
Teaser: Muslims regard their religion as the completed and universal version of a primordial, monotheistic faith revealed at many times and places before, including, notably, to the prophets Abraham, Moses and Jesus.
HMMM SOUNDS KINDA LIKE HOW CHRISTIANS VIEW JEWS AND VICE VERSA
OH SNAP EVEN THEIR FOOD: All meat must come from a herbivorous animal slaughtered in the name of God by a Muslim, Jew, or Christian, with the exception of game that one has hunted or fished for oneself.
THEY MUST BE THE EVIL BROWN PEOPLE
P.S. Islam is the #2 largest religion in the world, behind Christianity.
Islamophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Islamophobia is prejudice against Islam or Muslims.[1] The term seems to date back to the 1980s,[2] but came into common usage after the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States.[3] In 1997, the British Runnymede Trust defined Islamophobia as the "dread or hatred of Islam and therefore, to the fear and dislike of all Muslims," stating that it also refers to the practice of discriminating against Muslims by excluding them from the economic, social, and public life of the nation. It includes the perception that Islam has no values in common with other cultures, is inferior to the West and is a violent political ideology rather than a religion.[4] Professor Anne Sophie Roald writes that steps were taken toward official acceptance of the term in January 2001 at the "Stockholm International Forum on Combating Intolerance", where Islamophobia was recognized as a form of intolerance alongside Xenophobia and Antisemitism.[5]
Sources have suggested an increasing trend in Islamophobia, some of which attribute it to the September 11 attacks,[6] while others associate it with the increased presence of Muslims in the Western world.[7] In May 2002 the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC), a European Union watchdog, released a report entitled "Summary report on Islamophobia in the EU after 11 September 2001", which described an increase in Islamophobia-related incidents in European member states post-9/11.[8] Although the term is widely recognized and used, it has not been without controversy.[9]
Oh and just for Renton:
The Runnymede report identified eight perceptions related to Islamophobia:
1. Islam is seen as a monolithic bloc, static and unresponsive to change.
2. It is seen as separate and "other." It does not have values in common with other cultures, is not affected by them and does not influence them.
3. It is seen as inferior to the West. It is seen as barbaric, irrational, primitive, and sexist.
4. It is seen as violent, aggressive, threatening, supportive of terrorism, and engaged in a clash of civilizations.
5. It is seen as a political ideology, used for political or military advantage.
6. Criticisms made of "the West" by Muslims are rejected out of hand.
7. Hostility towards Islam is used to justify discriminatory practices towards Muslims and exclusion of Muslims from mainstream society.
8. Anti-Muslim hostility is seen as natural and normal.[23]
So recognizing an immutable truth is a parameter for an irrational fear now?
Just for fun I'll figure which of these I subscribe to:
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow