Hey all, I'm Lee and run a training site for HUSNG's aimed toward the gay and lesbian community. I look forward to sharing ideas and stratagy will you all in this here forum.
All the best for now.
Lee
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Hey all, I'm Lee and run a training site for HUSNG's aimed toward the gay and lesbian community. I look forward to sharing ideas and stratagy will you all in this here forum.
All the best for now.
Lee
Not trying to be an ass, but why would you limit your target audience to such a small group of players. You not only target gay and lesbian, but they have to be HUS&G players?
HUSNG is, like, a euphemism, dude.
what jyms said.
Heads up?
You mean two dick heads up his ass?
sounds like spoon's in, chelle too?Quote:
Originally Posted by spoonitnow
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by daven
Is a straight still a good hand?
ha! cause like they're gay!Quote:
Originally Posted by Galapogos
There was a site once that was marketed towards a similar group where straights didn't exist as a poker hand in any of the games, so if you had say 45678 in a draw game, it was 8-high. I don't know if it's around anymore though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galapogos
obv level/gimmick account
I thought so too, then I saw this:
BrokeBack Poker.com - The gay, lesbian, and straight friendly poker affiliation
Srs effort just for a level
Link does not dissuade me from thinking it's a level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucothefish
I assume queens in the hole is a good strong hand? And a good strong hand is good in your hole?
Well it's kinda gay if you think about it. Two jacks, queens or kings, instead of two pair they'd probably say "I have a proud gay couple". And 56789 will ofcourse be a "gay".
"I have a set of 3s"
"Beat yoouuu, I have a gay!"
"Waiiit, I have a pink flush!"
All very good and constructive. It's on the level. I only play hense coach HUSNG's but the whole point is that I've been sposored by large gay companies with great prizes which are by means more attractive to the gay and lesbian community. It's not exclusive and if you wanna win a gay holiday jump on in. The games will be MTT's and I might bring in other coaching eventually. I'm a specialist so need to have others on board before I can confidently expand any training beyond what I'm more proficient in.
Heres the press release for the non beleivers.
{edit - don't post links to your site}
Still hope i can share some poker related stratagy outwith where I put my bits. Look forward to chatting to you all.
Lee
brokebackpoker, how do you envision a typical gay end-user perceives your website? what's their thought process when they see it? is it like "oh, i identify myself as being gay so i'm more comfortable on this site" or more like "whilst other sites offer superior content, i like feeling like i'm accepted amongst my own kind here"
I'm asking this out of genuine curiosity because I can't understand how a non-vacuous/narcissistic gay man could ever be interested in this kind of thing.
I think it's more "there's sweet shit up for grabs, let's rock this" whereas those of us who are straight are gonna be like "I don't really want to win a pink flight anyway"
This is probably a situation where you want to run into tight aggros.
Thanks for the comments. Food for thought and I put it out there opening myself to such.
Membership is not compulsary. Maybe it's dificult to give it due credibility until you can subjectively see the content. For exmple our tournament prizes. These are the likes of Kylie Tickets, Gay holidays and such. It's just another opportunity and not a replacement for existing poker training sites and forums. I think having put this out there and having read some of the replies it's relevence is more apparent to me now confirming the need for a platform where we won't expect the fag jokes and can communicate with like mided tolerant people about poker and life be they straight or gay. The honesty of the brand will be enough to keep some of the rubbish away. It's in no way political and in fact will be comedy based with a weekly drag queen poker problem broadcast.
As far as advantages over other existing similar portals, I don't see any other than like any good community or forum we are creating a place for people who have things in common. Why do you post in a poker forum and not just post in any generic forum? It's because you are lookig to share the things you have in common.
We are taking nothing away and are open to everyone. If it's not your bag stay as you are. I don't see the need to hate but I let it go. I'm not sure who's permission I need to follow my own thoughts and ideas and I'm way to far down lifes path to need the constant reassurance of others to make my way.
In what ever you do I wish you well.
Lee
drama queen amirite
No way kid just setting out my stall.
Ew.Quote:
Originally Posted by brokebackpoker
Dis I gotta see!Quote:
Originally Posted by brokebackpoker
I kinda see what you're saying on some levels Lee, I'm really not sure how the community would react if someone openly gay came on here and was like "here's a picture of me and my boyfriend on holiday" or "I'm in a dilemma about choosing which dude to go with" - on the internet it's hard to know who's jesting and who's hating.
But I'm just not sure I get gay culture is all, and I mean that with no malice or anything. But I guess I project my own outlook on the rest of the world a bit assumptively.
Like, for example, a drag queen poker broadcast.. personally I don't care who's broadcasting, if it's a dude then fine, if it's a hot girl then great, bonus, but all I really want is strong poker content.
And Kylie tickets? I thought it was just a sitcom stereotype that a majority of gay dudes like Kylie.
But don't get me wrong here, I'm not hating and I appreciate that creating a comfortable environment for a % of the population is a noble idea.. I'm just kinda curious (in b4 joke) as to why a gay culture exists - if you like poker, you like poker, and if you're gay, you're gay.. but why should your sexuality have any bearing on what poker content you choose?
P.S. most of the guys in this thread are generally pretty intelligent so it'd be kinda incorrect to take the fag jokes as genuine homophobic abuse
when I make homophobic jokes the butt of the jokes are homophobes not gay people ldo
I agree with you here...but there'll be divisions such of this in any kind of interest. For example, women have their own tournament in the WSOP that men are not allowed to play in (in fact, many men got suspended for doing so this year). I'm not all too surprised by it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash256
I assume you are a straight man? Suppose you like playing poker, but it appears that nearly everyone who plays is a gay man or lesbian. Its a pretty heterophobic environment. Frequently when you are playing online, someone who makes a donk play gets called a "breeder" in the chat. To you that word is as offensive as "nigger" would be to a black person, but it seems perfectly acceptable to use that insult in poker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash256
You want to improve your game so you are looking through some poker forums. The poker content seems good but on all of them there seems to be quite a lot of anti straight feeling. You often see "straight" used as "bad". Posts are titled "AK on the BTN, really straight turn". Lots of posters seem to think that being straight is really hilarious and accusing obviously gay posters of being straight is even funnier. There are loads of threads on gay subjects like whether Patrick Antonius wears boxers or briefs and who is hotter: Durr or Raptor.
Then someone opens a poker forum for straight and straight friendly players. Would you be interested?
Not hating on you or anyone. Just answering your question.
^ Answered it QUITE well.
NH sir.
Thanks for your response man, it's quality. I tip my hat to you sir, gl with the site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duffryn
Thanks for your complimentary responses to my response.
this room sounds pretty gay
AMIRITE
I appreciate the desire to carve out a small niched world of your own design, and I admire the gumption to attempt the endeavor. Of course, the fluff is always followed by the but and mine is this: these prejudices, be they from misunderstanding, fear, hatred, anger, closeted homosexuality, or whatever else drives people to betray themselves as bigots and fools, they are not unique to poker or the poker experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duffryn
I'd first suggest you develop a thick skin against the implied derision against homosexuality, similar to how I would recommend feminists stop twisting their verbiage to empower wemyn and instead man up. But I am white and male and straight and whatever other middle of the road labels you can throw at the mean so I can only pretend to know how a person can be so sensitive to a word.
Words don't hurt. I say way too many of them for most of them to have any meaning. And I use the gay ones, and the fat ones, and the old ones, and the nerd ones, and the religious ones, and the animal ones, all of the ones, and my intention is hardly carried in the word itself. But you probably know the difference between referencing a frustrating bet as a gaybet vrs the derision of being called a gay by a bully of some sort. If someone could use an insult against me, my confidence is that I would recognize when it was being used harmlessly.
I fully support the aims of brokebackpoker and wish the site luck, but you don't need to slice out a new poker forum for that one group of people labeled neutrally and with great care, when everyone is welcome right here at FTR.
I think you'll find this community pretty pro-homosexual. Look at how popular bigred is.
Quit monkeying around.
Your mom... was... peeling my banana last night... !
Yes they do. I know someone who was teased about their nose as a child and now gets extremely distressed by any reference to it. Words can hurt very much and fuel a demand for rhinoplasty. You say you use the gay words, the nerd ones etc, but you don't mention the racial ones. I would bet my roll that you don't refer to African Americans as niggers probably ever and certainly not amongst strangers. Why is the word fag any different? If you are using that word and I don't know you, am I more likely to think you are homophobe or that you are just messing around and are really a homophile?Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Why should I? Other peoples insensitivity is not my problem. You say everyone is welcome at FTR, but is everyone made to feel welcome? When I see gay frequently used as a synonym for bad and a bunch of gay jokes, am I meant to think: "that is a site that welcomes the gays"? I have stuck around long enough to work out that most of the active members are not really card carrying homophobes wearing "Kill the Fags" T Shirts, but I do wonder whether others don't just take one glance and move on. Its not as if the site is teeming with out and proud gays.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
If by develop a thick skin, you mean don't get worked up about it, then I agree with you. Referring to a gaybet is hardly homo hate crime of the year and I haven't been complaining and organising protest marches about it. However, a bunch of people were saying that they could not see the attraction of a gay site and so the purpose of my post was to explain that I would prefer getting the good poker content without any homosexual derision. If brokeback poker supplies that then I will be there, not here.
You don't think it was all of the things surrounding the words that hurt your friend instead of the words themselves; the tonality, the vitriol, the implications, the knock on her worth, the teasing itself? Those things hurt, the words were just the messengers.
Saying something is gay, for me, just means it's a little bit queer. When the term gaybet came about it was when opponents tended to always be passive, out of position, against the preflop and flop aggressor but suddenly they began open-min betting. It was odd. It was gay.
And I don't use nigger or faggot anymore. I have, in the wrong places, now I much prefer other words.
For the thick skin, you got it. I'll never be impervious to those weird flashes of memories that sometimes come up and remind me what an enormous idiot I've been through out my life, but I can at least know with confidence that the past isn't changing but I am. I'd recommend developing some sort of thick skin against the cultural homophobia, especially of American youths, because it's something you can do as opposed to trying to change everyone else.
And no, FTR isn't going to take steps to make you feel welcomed, but if you want to take steps to make unwelcome people who appear to you to be homo-bashers, you'll find allies in a lot of us.
It's probably a pretty juicy poker site. I may sign up!
Initially, I think intent is more important than words. However, words can become associated with negative experiences and later provoke a reaction. I am not american, so to me, a fag is a cigarette and a faggot a meat product that you eat with peas. Neither word bothers me at all, to be honest. However, there are other words that make me flinch, even if said affectionately.
If you had a homophobic background, then you should give yourself credit for changing. Cultural change is hard to achieve. That's one reason why I agree with you that starting a crusade against homophobia on the internet would be self-defeating.
I'm inQuote:
Originally Posted by brokebackpoker
Also who the fuck is Kylie.
okay so I googled it and jesus fucking christ that bitch is hot there's nothing gay about that i don't get it
I loldQuote:
Originally Posted by Duffryn
Wow spoon srsly had never heard of kylie
yeah i don't listen to nigger musicQuote:
Originally Posted by Lucothefish
google her sister next.Quote:
Originally Posted by spoonitnow
I was never close to homophobic. That bit about flashes of my former and current idiocy was the closest I could reckon to being offended by a word. Like that "Scott Pilgrim Saves the World" movie trailer where he says, "but I love her" irks me from and for my past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duffryn
And yeah, cultural change is difficult but I think aligning the world so you and your friends are insulated from that culture would be difficult without each of you first insulating yourselves with a nice, thick skin.
Also, you're probably right about words eventually carrying personal meaning over time, but I prefer my "words in a vacuum" thinking for little reason other than it is my own and seems, to me, robust.
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I rarely, if ever, get pms.
I want this to happen:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_l26Ht0pS6i...1144676218.jpg
omg yes!
What do you call someone who is scared of where they leave?
A home o phobe
What do you call a gay phobe?
A homo phobe
Why hasn't it happened! Why God, why?! I know Brit's dead, but we can chuck her in with the rest anyway, I doubt I'd notice, and if I did, I'd be OK with it. I mean seriously, look at her....
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/8...ycrotchsho.jpg
Imagine being the son of any of the above mentioned women. Now you have to go to school and hear your mom jokes from your peers.
Favorite book: Oedipus RexQuote:
Originally Posted by spoonitnow
Brokebackpoker is now Live!!
get it?Quote:
Originally Posted by brokebackpoker