AA limp/call bvb river donk bet by fish 100NL

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11-12-2010, 08:14 PM
Sup3rM4N

AA limp/call bvb river donk bet by fish 100NL

28/11/3 fish...spots like these i wish i was doing less tables so i can make better informed decisions

he took like 4 secs to call on flop, insta call on turn, about 5 secs to lead river....i wanna call and take note

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($61.30)
SB ($116.55)
Hero (BB) ($103.85)
UTG ($30.75)
MP1 ($168.15)
MP2 ($108.90)
CO ($85.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/ah.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/as.gif
5 folds, SB calls $0.50, Hero bets $4, SB calls $3

Flop: ($8) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/ks.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/9s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/6c.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, SB calls $6

Turn: ($20) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/9c.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12, SB calls $12

River: ($44) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/7h.gif (2 players)
SB bets $34
11-12-2010, 09:53 PM
tpb221

Well I'm a idiot poker player so take it for what it's worth. If he has the nine your toast but he not putting you on the nine so I see him also doing this with kx. He might also have 67of spades. K7s I can see also. I haven't done all the maths of the combos he could have buy I think this is a 50/50 spot.

Also, as I said I'm a idiot poker player so I'm calling here.
11-12-2010, 10:03 PM
caddie444

Quote:

Originally Posted by L_Clan_Sup3rMaN

i wanna call and take note

+1 and make sure you do
11-12-2010, 11:29 PM
daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by L_Clan_Sup3rMaN

i wish i was doing less tables so i can make better informed decisions

genie here
you could do this by buying into less tables
wish granted
11-13-2010, 12:26 AM
ZwiFT

snap
11-13-2010, 11:45 AM
oskar

idk about snap anything. There are only 6 combos of AK, 6 combos of broadway spade draws and broadways with backdoor clubs that he could be bluffing - we can prolly weight against that as well cos it's a pretty sophisticated line. 10 fh/quads that we can probably weight against a little as well.
24 of 89, 9T.
I want to discard 67ss, 67cc, 78 cos inexperienced players don't like to turn their hand into a bluff if they improve to a made hand otr even if it's barely a bluffcatcher.

If we didn't have the As I'd be more inclined to meh call, but I think we can even fold here. Regs like to take that line as a bluff, and it's awesome. But I don't think that someone with those stats would be capable of turning a wide enough range into a bluff here to make this a call.

tbh my first instinct was to call, and I probably would have if I was in the hand, but I think it's a fold now.
11-13-2010, 05:51 PM
daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZwiFT

snap

snap-anything here is bad

river is a close fold given reads, but it's close.
11-20-2010, 08:19 AM
Razvan729

from SB, he would call the preflop raise with a lot of hands that put you way behind him on that board.... since he was calling bets from the flop... i put him on on a set or 2 pairs.... he evem has a straight draw from flop so the seven might have give him its hand... anyway fold...
11-21-2010, 10:58 PM
nutsinho

call, not v close at all
11-22-2010, 12:16 AM
Micro2Macro

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ll-173396.html
11-22-2010, 03:24 PM
oskar

What kind of a range do you give a 28/11 there that makes this not close? I'm srsly lost.
11-22-2010, 04:06 PM
ZwiFT

Quote:

Originally Posted by oskar

What kind of a range do you give a 28/11 there that makes this not close? I'm srsly lost.

Way to big and heavily weighted towards missed draws
11-22-2010, 04:41 PM
oskar

What do you mean too big? How can it be too big to even outline? That's what she said.
I'm not saying it might not be a call, but I don't get how it isn't close. Mainly cos we have the As.
11-22-2010, 06:54 PM
daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ll-173396.html

what range do you suggest for villain here?
like, KQs/66/9Tsoot/89soot/99/7s8s
11-27-2010, 08:49 AM
Acemonk

Id instacall the guy. If you had some tracked hands it would help but... you never know right? he could have T8 suited as far as you know but what can you do? If it is a player know for bluffing then you have your 'stats call approval' if hes not you need to consider a fold.
11-27-2010, 10:49 AM
oskar

Quote:

Originally Posted by daven

what range do you suggest for villain here?
like, KQs/66/9Tsoot/89soot/99/7s8s

KQ is questionable, as well as that he would only call suited 78,89 pre... imo. But I guess that's where they're getting at. Cos that's kind of the only way for it not to be that close.
TJ, JQ, QT spades or clubs and 4s5s could potentially be bluffing, but that't not enough to swing anything.

(I don't expect m2m to ever respond... he just spammed links to spoons thread all over for no particular reason.)
11-27-2010, 02:22 PM
Icanhastreebet

Quote:

Originally Posted by oskar

KQ is questionable, as well as that he would only call suited 78,89 pre... imo. But I guess that's where they're getting at. Cos that's kind of the only way for it not to be that close.
TJ, JQ, QT spades or clubs and 4s5s could potentially be bluffing, but that't not enough to swing anything.

(I don't expect m2m to ever respond... he just spammed links to spoons thread all over for no particular reason.)

this isn't close cause he has a tonne of missed draws and all sorts of goofy Kx(Albeit probably very few) and you only need 30% equity lol
11-27-2010, 03:58 PM
oskar

If he has more missed draws in his range than the ones I've already mentioned, then he also has exponentially more 9x hands in his range.

But whatever. I just wouldn't expect a 30/10 or whatever it was to be exceptionally bluffy.
11-27-2010, 05:07 PM
HarleyGuy13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acemonk

Id instacall the guy. If you had some tracked hands it would help but... you never know right? he could have T8 suited as far as you know but what can you do? If it is a player know for bluffing then you have your 'stats call approval' if hes not you need to consider a fold.

This made no sense to me at all? I'm sorry maybe I am missing something or did you just really want to say something? I think the stats came from the hands he has tracked! Then just random well he could have.......????

Quote:

Originally Posted by L_Clan_Sup3rMaN

28/11/3 fish...spots like these i wish i was doing less tables so i can make better informed decisions.....
11-29-2010, 08:58 AM
ZwiFT

Quote:

Originally Posted by oskar

If he has more missed draws in his range than the ones I've already mentioned, then he also has exponentially more 9x hands in his range.

But whatever. I just wouldn't expect a 30/10 or whatever it was to be exceptionally bluffy.

passive fish not bluffing missed draws? I see this ALL the time
11-29-2010, 04:48 PM
ATOTHEC101

Would have to pry dem rocket's from my cold dead fingers
12-01-2010, 12:11 AM
IowaSkinsFan

Callstains
12-04-2010, 12:06 PM
PokerWiz

Don't fold em
12-08-2010, 11:41 PM
Lifer

so call and take note
12-22-2010, 10:48 PM
Roid_Rage

Lol its a fish, he could be doing this with K2s-KTs, K7o-KTo, mebbe he turns 6x into a bluff, 78, 89, 9T, 66, 99, etc.

His range is still pretty wide on this river given how it was played. And you're retarded if you think a 28/11/3 isn't betting sometimes postflop without the goods. Granted, we don't know the sample size but I'm using the reads given.

We need ~31% to be good.

Against a range of 99/66/A6s/KTs/KTo/89s-9Ts we have more than 65%.

So he doesn't have to have many bluffs in his range if he's shoving Kx at all to make this a great call.