bvb

I just sat down about ten hands ago. FR table just starting up

Villain is 40/20 60 agg over 11


I hadnt been too active post

Flop i think is fine/ std once the aggro fish minrasies the turn his range is like overpairs and 2 pair shit like KT, I suppose he could also show up with like KQs or KJs. Im not sure if hed raise a set on the flop cause these guys like to slowplay on all kinds of board textures.

thoughts on all streets welcome.



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (3 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($37.55)
Hero (BB) ($50.50)
Button ($51)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif
1 fold, SB bets $1, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($2) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero raises to $3.50, SB calls $2.50

Turn: ($9) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, SB raises to $12, Hero calls $6

River: ($33) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets $11.50, Hero ?

i'm dubious about the merits in your play pre-flop
flop is standard/good
turn you can check back
river call or raise as played depending on your inner-nit.

do you just like folding pre?

I agree that turn is good to check back.

Your river raise would be for value?

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Originally Posted by thelorax

do you just like folding pre?

I agree that turn is good to check back.

Your river raise would be for value?

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i don't mind calling pre, i mis-read the HH and somehow decided you had 3b - sorry!
anyway, river raise is for value but it's probably close.

What makes flop raise standard/good please?

Will he call it with any pair and straight draws - making it for value, with semibluff potential against things like TJ and 9T because we have the draw?

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Originally Posted by mbiz

What makes flop raise standard/good please?

Will he call it with any pair and straight draws - making it for value, with semibluff potential against things like TJ and 9T because we have the draw?

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raising (for value) is good since we're ahead of everything but sets against villain's continuing range (including stuff like JT and overpairs without a spade); we want to build a pot in position to stack him when we improve and taking it down on the flop is always a fine result too. considering that this is bvb against a seemingly aggro opponent, raising might create an open invitation for him to spew off with much worse and we'd be pretty happy about getting it in on the flop while our equity is at its highest.

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Originally Posted by mbiz

What makes flop raise standard/good please?

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cause we have great equity vs his range.

he can also shove with worse fairly often; eg) JJ+ (no spade) and draws.

I also don't get why flop is standard/good, it seems like we're chopping against non-spade top pairs and overpairs, slight dogs to top pairs and overpairs with a spade and behind sets. What're we expecting him to bet/call with that we're beating? Against flush draws with two overs our edge is also pretty small.

I don't profess to be good at poker and I'm not saying you guys are wrong, but from the point of view of someone trying to learn I'm gonna need an example of this range against which we have great equity.

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Originally Posted by mbiz

Will he call it with any pair and straight draws - making it for value, with semibluff potential against things like TJ and 9T because we have the draw?

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^ pretty much my reasoning

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Originally Posted by kiwiMark

I also don't get why flop is standard/good, it seems like we're chopping against non-spade top pairs and overpairs, slight dogs to top pairs and overpairs with a spade and behind sets. What're we expecting him to bet/call with that we're beating? Against flush draws with two overs our edge is also pretty small.

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i'm also not going to claim to be any good at poker, but here's my reasoning. Flame away

here goes.
Villain's range pre is not quite ATC, it's a weak ATC - i discount big pairs/AJ+ a bunch (i'll do this with suits in stove) due to his pre-flop sizing. I also discount off-suited hands with a gap >3.

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AcAs, AdAs, AhAs, KcKs, KdKs, KhKs, QcQs, QdQs, QhQs, JcJs, JdJs, JhJs, TcTd, TdTh, ThTc, 9c9s, 9d9s, 9h9s, 88-22, AhKh, AsKs, AcQc, AdQd, AhJh, AsJs, ATs-A2s, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T6s+, 96s+, 85s+, 74s+, 63s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, AdKc, AhKc, AhKd, AsKc, AsKd, AsKh, AdQc, AhQc, AhQd, AsQc, AsQd, AsQh, AJo-A2o, KdQc, KhQc, KhQd, KhQs, KsQc, KsQd, KsQh, KJo-K9o, Q9o+, J9o+, T8o+, 97o+, 86o+, 75o+, 64o+, 54o

villain's c-bet sizing is weak and he can be doing this with all of his hands with any overcard, any pair, and any piece (pair+/draws), barely narrowing his range after the c-bet to
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AcAs, AdAs, AhAs, KcKs, KdKs, KhKs, QcQs, QdQs, QhQs, JcJs, JdJs, JhJs, TcTd, TdTh, ThTc, 9c9s, 9d9s, 9h9s, 88-22, AhKh, AsKs, AcQc, AdQd, AhJh, AsJs, ATs-A2s, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 8s5s, 74s+, 63s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, AdKc, AhKc, AhKd, AsKc, AsKd, AsKh, AdQc, AhQc, AhQd, AsQc, AsQd, AsQh, AJo-A2o, KdQc, KhQc, KhQd, KhQs, KsQc, KsQd, KsQh, KJo-K9o, Q9o+, J9o+, T8o+, 97o+, 86o+, 75o+, 64o+, 54o

when we raise here it is for value as we expect villain to call at least one street with a bunch of hands we are ahead of + those that we are behind after the call are hands against which we have huge equity. Villain's 3-bet range is a tiny subset of his overall holdings and we're fairly comfortably calling a 3-bet (see ranges below vs 41% equity) = not 4-betting to get it in
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calling range
pretty much the same as his c-bet range (i'll drop 22, 44, 55, most Axs/Kxs/Qxs/Jxs not spades, etc), but with some discounting of his possible 3b range (below) - against this range we have 73% equity
AcAs, AdAs, AhAs, KcKs, KdKs, KhKs, QcQs, QdQs, QhQs, JcJs, JdJs, JhJs, TcTd, TcTh, TdTh, 9c9s, 9d9s, 9h9s, 88-66, 33-22, AhKh, AsKs, AcQc, AdQd, AhJh, AsJs, ATs, As9s, As8s, A6s, As5s, As4s, As2s, KQs, KsJs, Ks9s, Ks8s, K7s-K6s, Ks5s, Ks4s, Ks2s, QsJs, Qs9s, Qs8s, Qs5s, Qs4s, Qs2s, JTs, Js9s, Js8s, Js5s, Js4s, Js2s, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 8s5s, 74s+, 63s+, 53s+, AdKc, AhKc, AhKd, AsKc, AsKd, AsKh, ATo, KTo, QTo, JTo, T8o+, 96o+, 86o+, 76o, 32o


maximum 3b range (some of this he will call the raise with rather then 3-betting, at least some of the time)
AcAs, AdAs, AhAs, KcKs, KdKs, KhKs, QcQs, QdQs, QhQs, JcJs, JdJs, JhJs, TcTd, TdTh, ThTc, AsKs, AsJs, 77, 33 - note that even against this tiny (and strong) subset of villain's range we have 41% equity

seems like a flop 3b isn't so bad?

Awesome, thank you for replying in detail. I have to confess that this thread was linked to me in IRC rather than me finding it on the forum, so I thought it was in the BC and thought it was 25NL, meaning I thought villain had made a standard open instead of a minbet. Given that and the small sample of hands I was considering him to be quite a bit more reggy. I still don't think I assign him quiiiite as wide a continuing-to-flop-raise range as you do, but wide enough to tip the balance over the magic 50% equity link.

Cheers again for taking the time :)

I would 3b pre.
Flop raise is good. Check behind the turn and as played call the river.

Preflop is standard and I'd 3b or call 100%.
Flop is good for balance because you will be bluffing here a lot.
Call riv