Double Barreling

One of my biggest leaks, in my opinion, is giving up after c-betting flops with the bottom of my range (usually air or hands with marginal showdown value). Sometimes this is probably fine, but I know I'm missing a ton of profitable double barrel spots. Another concern is exploitability. Some people love to pounce on the bet-flop/check-turn line. Some of the better regs might even recognize on their HUDs that I'm c-betting a high percentage of flops and slowing way down on later streets. Floating me on most flops is a very +EV play, and I'm sure at least a few guys are consciously doing it.

So for the last few days I've been thinking about how to recognize good opportunities to double barrel. Sometimes the tendencies of certain opponents are such that double barreling is the nuts. For example, an opponent whose fold to flop c-bet is abnormally low, but folds considerably often to turn c-bets. Basically, floaters that get honest on 4th street. Here's kind of a meh example:


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Villain is 22/17 and quite aggressive. He pretty much auto-bets IP when you decline to c-bet. His ATS is in line with typical regs, about 40%.

Button ($53.60)
SB ($34.50)
Hero (BB) ($50)
UTG ($52.75)
MP1 ($65.80)
MP2 ($50)
CO ($52.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif
4 folds, Button bets $1.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.50, Button calls $3

My 3-bet is kneejerk because he steals so much. In hindsight it's probably a mistake because he calls 3-bets a lot (29%) and also 4-bets somewhat wide (7%). I should probably be 3-betting a tighter depolarized range against him and flatting hands like this.

Flop: ($9.25) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $5.50, Button calls $5.50

Villain's fold to flop c-bet is only 38%. I think straight-forward players have this stat in the 60s range. So he floats a ton. On the face of things, this might seem like a bad spot to c-bet. But his fold to turn c-bet is 62%. If the turn bricks, and I double barrel, he probably continues with overpairs/sets and folds almost everything else. And he shouldn't have many big overpairs in his range because he would have 4-bet them. But I think a K/Q/J turn might be even better because then he'll fold out all his 2nd pair hands, which means he folds more of his range overall. Furthermore, I have a little equity. And if I check to him he's betting a huge % of the time which puts me in an awkward spot and I'd probably fold.

Turn: ($20.25) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $11

If the above reasoning is flawed, please feel free to correct me.

Another thing I"ve been thinking about is c-betting certain board textures with the intention of double barreling on a scare card. Predominantly dry flops with a lot of lowish cards; T and below. I touched on this in the HH. This is mostly for people who play straight-forward ABC. Most of these opponent's calling ranges on that board texture is TP, overpairs, and sets. Sometimes big overcards. So I reckon they should be folding very often on A/K/Q/J turns (which should happen about 1/3 of the time?), especially if you can discount JJ+ from their range based on preflop action.

Again, if my reasoning is flawed, please enlighten me. I would also be interested in learning about other conditions to look for to double barrel.

would not double barrel this turn and i wouldnt expect him to fold a pair

You think this opponent calls the turn with stuff like A4 or 77? He seems pretty fit or fold after the flop.

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Originally Posted by Bbickes

would not double barrel this turn and i wouldnt expect him to fold a pair

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WHY?

This is a good play against someone who folds and 4bets a lot in this spot, not someone who will call with pairs on the turn or float the flop with better aces.

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Originally Posted by Deanglow

not someone who will call with pairs on the turn or float the flop with better aces.

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Again, I don't see how someone with such a high fold to turn c-bet stat will call with 2nd pair and A-high type hands. I personally call a lot more often on the turn than this opponent, percentage-wise, and I rarely do it that light.

By the way, the HH is just meant to be an example about double barreling. So if it's a bad example, let's discuss what a good situation for it looks like.

was really tired last night lemme rephrase.

it's more a combo of board texture as well as opponents views on us and opponents tendencies more than just what board and turn cards.

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Originally Posted by Bbickes

was really tired last night lemme rephrase.

it's more a combo of board texture as well as opponents views on us and opponents tendencies more than just what board and turn cards.

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Those are both addressed in the OP. :confused:

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Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

Those are both addressed in the OP. :confused:

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and like i said i would not double barrel this turn as a bluff

1. Our perceived range should be very strong because we usually c-bet a lot of flops and then shut down on the turn. Villain knows that we only fire twice with made hands.

2. Villain floats a lot of flops and becomes honest on the turn when facing additional heat. He won't get cute with bluff-catchers and such. He's hoping to be checked to so he can take a stab.

3. The board texture and preflop action doesn't allow for many strong hands to be in his range.

Therefore, shouldn't he be folding the vast majority of his range on the turn? What would be a more ideal set of perceived range/villain tendencies/board texture?

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Originally Posted by hensonbooker

A 'Double Barrel' is when a player who took the lead on the flop continues by making another bet on the turn. By betting out on both the flop and the turn, the double-barreler represents a very strong hand and oftentimes any opponents will give up on mediocre hands when facing a double barrel. For more information you may check this link www thebonuscasinos com

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Cool story bro

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Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

Again, I don't see how someone with such a high fold to turn c-bet stat will call with 2nd pair and A-high type hands. I personally call a lot more often on the turn than this opponent, percentage-wise, and I rarely do it that light.

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if i'm not mistaken, deanglow's referring to the entire plan, starting from preflop. basically, you're arming yourself for a barreling war with A9o OOP.

if you wanna throw your hat into the double barreling ring, you're gonna be in better spots when you make small 3b's IP and when you 3b hands like J7s and A2s and stuff OOP. you should only 3b hands that are this unplayable postflop against people who either 4b or fold, and don't call a lot and float flops and crap (the hand's not even that great for blockers because it blocks a massive amount of their open/folding range if they're the 50% ATS types)