Nutflush facing shove on paired turn 100NL

Villain is boedje running 23/14/7.7 after only 80ish hands. First time playing with him so these games are def not his reg games. Not sure if his good or not but has supernova stars showing. Not sure how he sees me but no reason to think I get out of line. He insta called flop and instaaa shoved turn. Whats the plan on the turn?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed)

Button ($100)
SB ($100)
Hero (BB) ($143)
UTG ($110.05)
UTG+1 ($193.20)
MP1 ($214.15)
MP2 ($201.50)
CO ($100)

Preflop: Hero is BB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/3d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/ad.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $3, 2 folds, CO calls $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($9.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/7d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/jd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/td.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $15, UTG+1 calls $11

Turn: ($39.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/th.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $25, UTG+1 raises to $175.20 (All-In), $100 for hero to call

cannot fold quick enough

I don't think calling pre is +EV

as played nits gonna nit and I'm a nit so fold

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Originally Posted by bikes

cannot fold quick enough

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Is the villain representing 2 black tens? Or 8♦9♦? Or JJ? Or K♦Q♦? 77? Should it be pretty obvious that he's only blowing up the pot with something that beats a flush?

Look what position he raised from. And look how we block AdAx which is roughly one of the very few hands he'd spaz like this we beat.

We lose to TT 77 and JJ. We beat KQdd and spazzes of QdQx and KdKx.

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Originally Posted by bikes

Look what position he raised from. And look how we block AdAx which is roughly one of the very few hands he'd spaz like this we beat.

We lose to TT 77 and JJ. We beat KQdd and spazzes of QdQx and KdKx.

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I suppose you're implying that a 23/14 doesn't include 8d9d at UTG+1.. I play 2NL where an all in on the turn is only a few bucks, so I'm wondering what does a spaz like this mean at 100NL? A decent made hand that doesn't want to be outdrawn or the high nuts? Or I thought maybe KdQd because it's the second nut flush with the 2 way straightflush draw and maybe it looked like the hero caught a set of tens on the turn...

BTN: $116.50
SB: $167.25
BB: $36.60
Hero (UTG): $100.00
UTG+1: $100.40
MP1: $102.50
MP2: $31.35
CO: $122.50

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with X X
Hero raises to $3, UTG+1 calls $3, 2 folds, CO calls $3, 3 folds

Flop: ($10.50) A :club: J :diamond: T :diamond: (3 players)
Hero bets $7, UTG+1 folds, CO raises to $21, Hero calls $14

Turn: ($52.50) J :heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $30, Hero raises to $76 all in, CO ????


equiv of the same spot. say you are the CO here with KQ, which is what I expect him to have a whole lot

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Originally Posted by bikes

Look what position he raised from. And look how we block AdAx which is roughly one of the very few hands he'd spaz like this we beat.

We lose to TT 77 and JJ. We beat KQdd and spazzes of QdQx and KdKx.

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I think this might be closer than that. Does he really plays TT/77/JJ/JTs (10 combos) like that? Calling a raise on that board (and not 3betting? Pushing that turn? Does he wants us to fold our flush?).
Let's say he plays like that with 5 out of the 10 combos.
We're ahead of KdQd/8d9d and some spas from KdKx and QdQx. Let's say 3 combos. That 3-5 equity. Our pot odds are the same...

I don't play these stakes or FR.. but this looks like such an easy snap call.

People just don't play boats fast like this. Someone with such a high AF can easily play other hands like this, like Tx thinking YOU have Adx etc.

Him doing this with a boat is just ridiculous

interesting hand since villain is loose/aggressive by FR standards

i agree w/ bikes that holding the Ad actually hurts us in this spot

and i also think griffey is right when he says people usually don't play boats this way

i think even a bad villain never snap jams TT/89dd, which leaves 3 combos of 77, 3 JJ and 2 JTs. to factor in he usually won't snap jam his boats i'd reduce that in half, so ~4 combos of full houses he could have.

because villain is loose and aggressive and I've seen a lot of supernova donks I think we should call. I always call in the heat of the moment anyways

i wouldn't play a boat like that either...

just curious what the actual results were? (if no one else has anything to add)