aces in position vs 27/0.

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Stacks:
kickass (UTG) ($5.10)
UTG+1 ($3.37)
MP1 ($7.22)
MP2 ($6.30)
CO ($2.62)
BTN ($3.17)
SB ($5.40)
BB ($3.56)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 8 players) kickass is UTG :ad: :ah:
kickass raises to $0.20, 6 folds, BB calls $0.15

Flop: :8c: :qh: :3d: ($0.42, 2 players)
BB bets $0.20, kickass calls $0.20

Turn: :9s: ($0.82, 2 players)
BB bets $0.35, kickass calls $0.35

River: :kd: ($1.52, 2 players)
BB goes all-in $2.81, kickass folds

Final Pot: $4.33

BB wins $4.23 (net +$0.67)

kickass lost $0.75


Im not really fussed about the end, pretty easy fold i think.
villain is a 27/0 over 30ish hands
should i be reraising the donk bet or is calling best, I'm never quite sure, I haven't seen any showdowns of any significance.
the flop is way ahead way behind, I didn't expect it and i took quite a while to call.
88 66 33 Qx lots of Qx
pretty sure that villain has a Queen on the turn AQ is unlikely so KQ JQ TQ most likely candidates but Q9 Q8 also possible but unlikely given bet sizing. I was gonna reraise here but thought why not wait till the river, i should still be able to get the stacks in if i want too as I'm in position and i don't think she could fold a queen an A would prolly be a scare card for her and she might find a fold if one hit but with only 2 in the deck i took the risk.
bad play?

bad play not noticing the straight complete

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Originally Posted by kickass

pretty sure that villain has a Queen on the turn AQ is unlikely so KQ JQ TQ most likely candidates but Q9 Q8 also possible but unlikely given bet sizing. I was gonna reraise here but thought why not wait till the river, i should still be able to get the stacks in if i want too as I'm in position and i don't think she could fold a queen an A would prolly be a scare card for her and she might find a fold if one hit but with only 2 in the deck i took the risk.
bad play?

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I hate your logic here. Waiting 'til the river you are giving the villain every opportunity to outdraw you cheap. On the river they fold worse or call better. You are allowing them to play perfectly. I would raise the flop. As played, agree easy fold on the river.

after his weak turn bet, i'd raise turn to 3x since he is gonna call Qx, Qx+ gutshot, if he shoves over i would call and pray :)

the way played, yes, river is fold, my guess, he hit 2 pairs KQ on river

Yeah, I also think we should be raising the turn considering all the Pair/Pair+GS combos. She's shaping up to be a loose player with those stats, get some value.

No postflop aggression reads?

about the flop i think i need real help here as this kind of thing happens often. Whats my plan if I raise the flop and she shoves/ calls shoves turn. i didn't see a reason to raise the flop as i didn't know how she would play the different hands in her range.
The turn is different, i felt that all the money was mine if i want it no matter of when i put it in. this does mean she draws for free but she will pay me either way and she gets the last card either way. I'm not saying that its a good idea it was a what now erm i'll do this idea. obviously I'm a twat for not noticing the straight draw. (i should prolly cut down my tables until i can pay attention properly).

w/o other reads on opp , besides what you said, i'd fold to a 3bet AI on flop from him and also fold if he calls flop raise and shoves turn...

with reads that he is shoving flop on TP, TPTK, OESD, gutshot i would call a flop shove.

but even with reads, if he calls flop raise and shoves turn then its a deff fold for me.

Raise the damn flop yo.

I'm such a fish. to go with playing this one piss weak ive just payed off a set with the next pair.
when will i ever fucking learn. lol at breaking even at 5nl. Thanks for taking the time boys but looks like yr wasting it with me

I also like raising the flop, in my experience donk bets on a dry board like this one are rarely strong hands especially on very dry boards like this one.

However without reads of whether he stacks off with top pair, I'd be a bit at odds of what to do if he shoves over a raise, so I guess that's a downside of raising the flop. So I don't totally hate calling either. If he shoves over a flop raise, based on the fact that he is 27/0 and not full stacked and that he has more Q's than sets I probably call.

As played I probably raise the turn and get it in as well, he rarely has JT, doubt he would donk half pot on the flop with a naked gutshot, then only bet less than half pot when he hits the turn. It'd be pretty badly played with a set as well, completely failing to set up the stacks to go all in.

Your logic for not raising the turn is flawed. If your goal is to get all the money in, you have to raise because the stacks won't be set properly for a shove on the river, and if your opp is indeed drawing he won't pay the river when he misses (most of the time) or if he has a weakish made hand and a scare card comes on the river. If you're ahead now and think he calls a raise most of the time with a weaker hand, then you bet now. Simple. Here you can easily raise and get called by hands like top pair + gutshot or TPGK.

Fold river and move on, with KQ now his most likely hand.

And we all make mistakes and we've all paid sets and still do and still will. So does Phil Ivey. Just try and do it less than your opponents. And we've all been through loosing or break even streaks of thousands of hands. So no whining.

why aren't you raising the flop?
maybe make some lists
1 - pros of raising flop (vs calling)
2 - cons of raising flop (vs calling)

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Stacks:
UTG ($4.89)
UTG+1 ($4.86)
MP1 ($8.34)
MP2 ($3.73)
MP3 ($1.91)
CO ($5.86)
kickass (BTN) ($5.06)
SB ($8.27)
BB ($7.48)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 9 players) kickass is BTN :kh: :kd:
6 folds, kickass raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

Flop: :7h: :5s: :8h: ($0.45, 3 players)
SB bets $0.25, BB folds, kickass raises to $0.90, SB calls $0.65

Turn: :jc: ($2.25, 2 players)
SB checks, kickass bets $1.55, SB raises to $3.55, $2 to kickass ($2.46)?

rush vs unknown vs unknown

trying to take your advice led me here. is my sizing way off. Ive got no idea about sizing when it comes to reraising (thats a leak i'd not noticed.... must look into it)
on the flop the donk could be to induce with a set or the likes but my thoughts were its prolly a draw 9T or hearts. being most likely if he has both i think he should shove and the same with sets doesn't mean they are not in there though. obviously he has some random A8 99+ hands in there that he would prolly call down with, (unknowns are hard)
Turn should this be bet fold is the bet too big/too small. I thought b/f and 1.5 seemed about right not to commit myself.
opinions

raise flop in hand one and I probably call river given that they have a one pair hand often enough

hand 2 I'd just call flop as it's somewhat likely we might get 3b by a worse hand like 86s or a FD or some shit, so just call. As played fold turn

lol in Hand 1 raise flop, he's a 27/0 dunno why you are trying to let a player who won't fold a pair spew his stack away when he probably isn't aggro at all ?!?!

Hand 1, raise/get it in at any point.

Hand 2, call frop, call turn, probably call river.

@ monsieur Rage. why is hand 1 a raise and hand 2 only a call when hand 2 is a far more draw heavy board? genuine question I usually agree with most things you say, is it because I can be bluffed off more easily where as if villain in hand one gets aggro after raise its such an obvious set but will definitely call down with a Q.

Ok so, Hand 1 is a raise and I'm never folding if he reraises because he's fairly short stacked and he could be doing it with a number of Qx, and obv 88/33 which is only 3 combos. If we just give him AQ and KQ he has well over 20 combos so we can't fold there and feel too good about it imo.

Hand 2 I'm just calling down because if you're unaware of how he will play his draws vs his sets then you won't know what his 3bets mean. If you had the read that he will bet/call down with FDs til the river then quite obviously you should be raising every streets until a flush hit.

Since we lack that information we can just call, call, call and take a note on what he's donkbetting super wet boards with. If the board runs out super shitty we can always fold (4 to a straight, 3-4 to a flush, villain jams turn after we call flop, etc.) Yes, he can have 66, 99/TT, but he can also have 55, 77, 99, JJ, all that for flopped sets.

Idk, I'm not a super nit but I'd rather take the lower variance route vs an unknown thats showing aggression on a wet board when we have the nut overpair. No need to commit ourselves to a pot where we can be either crushed (sets) our have ~65% equity (6x, FDs, pair + draw, etc) vs the vast majority of his range.