50/1 Awkward Spot with Jacks

$50/$100 Ante $25 No Limit Holdem
6 Players

Zyph is a fish, down a bunch according to PTR. It's been a few orbits and haven't seen him do anything real wild yet. HUD shows him as running 40/20ish with a 5% 3b
Halo is a good reg who I haven't played much with so I don't know too much about his game.

Stacks:
UTG Zyph ($21,986)
UTG+1 Halo ($27,938)
CO ($25,089)
BTN ($11,447)
SB Hero ($10,125)
BB ($11,072)

Pre-Flop: ($300, 6 players) Hero is SB :js: :jh:
Zyph raises to $300, Halo calls $300,2 folds, Hero raises to $1,500,1 fold, Zyph calls $1,200, Halo calls $1,200

Flop: :ts: :qc: :3h: ($4,750, 3 players)
Hero checks, Zyph checks, Halo checks

Turn: :8c: ($4,750, 3 players)
Hero?

Also what is your plan for rivers?

probably just bet 1750. There are a lot of ways it can play out after that so I don't really have a plan. It will be easy if the fish calls, cause you can shove most rivers. If halo calls, I'm not really sure. I think betting like 1222 on the flop would probably have been best.

just bet the flop 1750 and make a decision if jammed on. the call/fold decision is near neutral ev imo when jammed on, but the only mistake you can make in this hand is not betting flop. as played bet/mostly call turn and jam river

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Originally Posted by sauce123

just bet the flop 1750 and make a decision if jammed on. the call/fold decision is near neutral ev imo when jammed on, but the only mistake you can make in this hand is not betting flop. as played bet/mostly call turn and jam river

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Why is not betting the flop such a mistake? I'm curious, mostly because I think I check this flop with this particular hand quite a bit. Usually expect ppl to call a lot of Qx to 3bets (KQ/AQs)

Also, what is your cut off hand where you would start leaning more towards checking than betting on this board?

You loose from a lot of hands. You should had given up your hand.

Don't get married to Pockets Jacks.

They are a good hand but they won't hold up a lot if the game is really loose.

why not play check-call in turn, because you are playing out of position with two players. But maybe the best play is bet a half pot because there are some flush and straight draws in turn.

im likeing th e1750 bet to make sure

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Originally Posted by griffey24

Why is not betting the flop such a mistake? I'm curious, mostly because I think I check this flop with this particular hand quite a bit. Usually expect ppl to call a lot of Qx to 3bets (KQ/AQs)

Also, what is your cut off hand where you would start leaning more towards checking than betting on this board?

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I'm really curious about this too, hope Sauce sees this and comments cause my default would be check but maybe it has to do with the fact its multiway with a fish?

I think he does it mostly for balance. But when you cbet 1/3 pot here you also get called by worse a fair bit, and yeah especially since there's a fish in the hand.

Also gives you more options for turn/river. Checking flop then trying to run a bluff on turn/river prob won't look too credible.

Checking flop is good for me, the 1222 bet on the turn should help find where you are at. The river......tbd on what falls........