Live quiz bonus thread.

Not NLHE but it's my forum so I get to post what I want.

The game is five card plo (same rules as regular plo but everyone gets 5 cards). Blinds 2 euro each, no max buy in, 8 players, live. BB is a good online reg, EP villain is a bad live reg. This hand has not been altered in any way and was played earlier today.

I'm dealt :7h: :as: :ts: and two other cards OTB.

3 EP limpers, I make it 14, 5 callers (pretty much as I expected).

Flop (70eur) :ac::8d: :9d:. BB leads 60, 1 EP calls, I call.

Turn (250eur) :ac: :8d: :9d: (:qs:), BB checks, EP checks, I check behind.

River (250eur) :ac: :8d: :9d: :qs: (:ad:), BB leads 100 and leaves 140 behind. EP folds, I cover and jam.

Guess the two cards missing from my hand. Shipping $10 (stars) to anyone with over 100 posts who gets it right before I reveal. Everyone can guess twice.

I won't reveal the answer immediately even if someone gets it right. Hopefully someone still reads this forum, it's been pretty quiet lately...

You can type a card by writing the name of the card between two colons. For instance : qd :: tc : without spaces becomes :qd::tc:. Use small caps.

:kc: :qc:

:9c: :8c:

I like baudib's guesses but I'll go with

:qh: :8h:
:qh: :9h:

since I don't think you think he's gonna fold the nut flush

:tc: :9c:

:th: :9h:

:qc: :9c:

:8s: :9s:

From what very little I know about Omaha, I think all the best guesses are taken so I'm going to go something out there and probably completely wrong. :)
:ah::qh:
:qh::qc:

:kd::qd:

:ah::qd:

:8h::9h:

:ah::kh:

I think PKK is probably right but I guess we were all trying to flatter P4 by guessing he can shove wider than the stone-cold nuts.

:qd::td:

:tc::7c:

Nice to see that so many of you found this interesting. I think I'm going to make this a monthly theme...

Nobody got it right yet though. I'll let everyone guess three times total for the prize.

To figure it out you need to think why I chose to post this hand. For instance any guess with an ace or a queen is a guess wasted. Same goes for eights and nines.

While those hands might be in my range, they don't make this hand interesting. I'm not going to give out $10 of my hard earned bankroll to someone who can figure out what the nuts is on this board.


:tc::7c: is the only guess with real merit, but I think I would probably have bet the turn with two blockers to the nuts.

:6c: :7c:
:kd: :jh:

:kd: :7d:

:ah::kd:

:kd::jh:

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

:ah::kd:

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Nope, I did not have the nuts.

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

:kd::jh:

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Alexos already guessed this one. I don't think slowplaying the nuts on the turn in position is a very good idea, especially with a draw to a better straight and just about a psb left.

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Originally Posted by Alexos

:6c: :7c:

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Folding flop with this one.

:kd: :6h:
:kd: :6d:

:kd::7c:

nope nope nope

Yeah, I changed my choice when I realised KK wouldn't raise the river.

If KdKc wouldn't, then why would Kd7c?

Don't change your entries though lol, you have 1 guess left.

:kc: :9c:

All hands that give you quads and boat are wrong if I understand corretly

If you would have raised the river as a bluff then it does not really matter what you have, since it does matter I have to assume you raised for value

:kd::td:

PLO makes my brain hurt...

:kc: :tc:

It should be good range evaluation practice. For those who don't play plo I'm sure this plo5 task isn't going to be easy.

0 correct answers so far.

yea my guesses r very bad lol, PLO part + 3/5 cards fking my brain

But wouldn't you also raise flop with A9XXX?

:6d: :7d: final answer

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Originally Posted by Alexos

yea my guesses r very bad lol, PLO part + 3/5 cards fking my brain

But wouldn't you also raise flop with A9XXX?

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I don't see too much reason to raise the flop almost ever. Even if I have top set without a redraw I'm going to get it in pretty bad usually. Position is insane in this game and by raising the flop I throw all that away and just play my equity.

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Originally Posted by caddie444

:6d: :7d: final answer

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Stars sn?

:D

caddie444

thanks p4's good exercise!

$10 shipped to caddie444, well done!

Thanks to everyone for participating!

Results: villain smiled, shook his head and mucked A8 face up.

p4s making it rain

nice work caddie. is that super-exploitable or super standard by villain to b/f a hand so close to the nuts? i mean sure you probably call with worse some amount and rarely raise worse (hehehe), but he seems to just give him himself such a good price vs your shove. especially if you are capable of ever jamming worse as a bluff (i assume you were looking to fold A9/A8 with your jam, and not intending to value bet vs AK?)

NH

P4 - Can you walk us thru your thought process in this hand ?

Preflop: Is button raise standard with this type of hand - it seems like a marginal hand
River: I assume you had A8/A9 as the most likely hands in villian range, can you explain the river raise ?

yea i put villain on a boat as well

this must be a play you'd do live but not online.

also a few other things :

1) would you raise ATJQ on flop? do you expect villain to lead/fold A8/A9 given action if you do raise?

thought process overall would be good too, thx.

Leading A8 on the flop seems bad without a nut-like redraw.

How does hand combos work in PLO? Do people even count them, or is it useless becaus there are SO many combos of legit hands, but there's also SOO many combos of total possible hands as well

If this was holdem I'd say he was folding to only AQ, so he is folding to 3 hand combinations. but i'm confusing myself trying to do it for the PLO scenario.

Seems like it would be:
1 other ace * 3 other Q's * 43 other unknown cards * 42 * 41

maybe this is way wrong.

He's also losing to A9 that would play this way. This is 5-card PLO, which I've never played but imagine it must be even more nut-campy than regular PLO -- 30 live cards saw the flop. NH p4

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Originally Posted by TLR

Preflop: Is button raise standard with this type of hand - it seems like a marginal hand

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Preflop is def marginal, but there's very little limp-raising oop in this game so I don't mind bloating the pot otb and maintaining an aggressive image.

Average vpip was around 60% so it's not like the limpers were holding monsters either.

The flop call is very marginal, but I'm a sucker for open ended straight flush draws, especially since there's a bad beat jackpot.

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Originally Posted by TLR

River: I assume you had A8/A9 as the most likely hands in villian range, can you explain the river raise ?

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Actually I thought 88/99 was his most likely holding based on action. I didn't think he would lead flop with A8/A9 since it seemed clear that he didn't have TJ to go with it (turn check) and he couldn't have had the NFD. Based on river sizing I wasn't expecting him to show up with the nuts very often. He also didn't seem too happy when I asked him how much he has left.

river sizing definitely weakens his range, you just pot with AQ and hope someone calls with a worse boat. This bet is hoping some drooler calls with a flush.

he should call here with A9, I'd probably call with A8 too considering it's P4.

edit: I think he played it really badly, think c/c > b/c > b/f on river.

River bet isn't too bad as the other villain was quite awful. My standard would be to c/f A8 in his place.

A8 is also way too weak to c/c flop so I suppose stabbing at the pot isn't totally retarded either since it's a very good flop for me to cbet with any kind of equity.

I thought the most obvious answer was :Qc::Js: so I knew it couldn't be correct.