mp 78s flops good, turns more outs - 25nl

cutoff is 50-30-0 over 20, bb is 70-40-1 over 30, 20% fold to cbet, raised one cbet with the nuts. In an earlier hand with me bb called pre then c-c c-c overbet shove when river double paired the board earlier and i regretfully folded my a-high. Only real history. I'm 24-19-9 at this table so far, no showdowns.
$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
7 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($33.72)
daven (MP) ($25)
CO ($31.42)
BTN ($21.57)
SB ($5.13)
BB ($24.47)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 7 players) daven is MP :8h: :7h:
2 folds, daven raises to $0.85, CO calls $0.85, 2 folds, BB calls $0.60

Flop: :9h: :6c: :8s: ($2.65, 3 players)
BB checks, daven bets $1.70, CO calls $1.70, BB calls $1.70

Turn: :4h: ($7.75, 3 players)
BB checks, daven ($22.45)?

$4.75?

^ sounds good to me

I think my bet sizing is awful in general. I'd have gone for 5.75. Why is 4.75 better?

I'd just go like 5.75 since this guy is a huge drooler and will call with worst anyway + we want to bloat the pot IP v a huge drooler and we are trying to win the max anyway as we'll have to be checking back a lot etc.

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Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

I'd just go like 5.75 since this guy is a huge drooler and will call with worst anyway + we want to bloat the pot IP v a huge drooler and we are trying to win the max anyway as we'll have to be checking back a lot etc.

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This.

Vs 2 villains, we have great equity now but I doubt when the river bricks and we chk back we're ever winning. So I don't care for that as a reason to bet anything. Are these guys likely to pay you off on good rivers? If not bet massive now if so bet smaller. I like smaller cos these guys are fishes and will prolly both call now, we can chk fold shit rivers, loosing the least and can make a good v bet vs 2 villains gettting at least 1 call on good rivers. 4-5 seems good.

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Originally Posted by kickass

Vs 2 villains, we have great equity now but I doubt when the river bricks and we chk back we're ever winning. So I don't care for that as a reason to bet anything. Are these guys likely to pay you off on good rivers? If not bet massive now if so bet smaller. I like smaller cos these guys are fishes and will prolly both call now, we can chk fold shit rivers, loosing the least and can make a good v bet vs 2 villains gettting at least 1 call on good rivers. 4-5 seems good.

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

126,924 games 0.046 secs 2,759,217 games/sec

Board: 9h 6c 8s 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.808% 29.37% 04.44% 37280 5630.50 { 8h7h }
Hand 1: 25.396% 22.05% 03.34% 27990 4243.00 { 77, AhTh, A8s, Ah6h, K8s, QhJh, QhTh, Q8s, JhTh, J8s, T8s, 85s+, 76s, A8o, K8o, Q8o, JTo, J8o, T8o, 98o, 87o, 76o }
Hand 2: 40.796% 36.90% 03.89% 46837 4943.50 { 77, A8s, Ah6h, K8s, Q8s, J8s, T8s, 98s, 87s, A8o, K8o, Q8o, J8o, T8o, 98o, 87o }

Did not realize there is 3 villains. Now I am super happy to just bet big because we are NEVER behind 3way. Above is a bunch of to pair hands and flush draws that crush us +77 and not many 6x(65o may peel 2 etc.) If we start to include a bunch of 7x in both their ranges our equity goes up to 35%. This is GREAT considering we can easily take showdowns at the river v these passive fish. We get paid a HUGE % if we bink when they both call turn and the 3rd thing is we're already way ahead where we need to be(33.33% for a b/e bet without future streets).

I stilll cannot comprehend why we want to only bet sub 5$ and throw away a few bbs which obviously is not huge in this one situation that never ever comes up BUT will be huge if we make similar 4bb mistakes every few hundred hands.

I will look deeper into this when i get home, it's a good one. I don't see much 9x in your ranges or any weak over pairs TT JJ And i think there should be at least 1 set in there. These are the hands I expect to call and us loose to on the river.

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Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

Did not realize there is 3 villains.

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there are only two villains. regarding your comment about needing 33.33% or more (in a vacuum) to at least breakeven in a 3-way pot, doesn't this assume our opponents both call 100% of the time? is this something we need to consider?

55-QQ, A6-A9, 97-9K, 87-8K, JT-JQ, TQ, 56, 67, 68s. is the kinda range i give both villains. but I dont know what to do with it. we are massive here vs 2 villains does that mean we want tons of money going in now? a big bet would prolly get better 8s to fold but just as likely with a small bet. on blank rivers we are almost never winning. on good rivers are we getting paid if the money doesnt go in now?

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Originally Posted by rpm

there are only two villains. regarding your comment about needing 33.33% or more (in a vacuum) to at least breakeven in a 3-way pot, doesn't this assume our opponents both call 100% of the time? is this something we need to consider?

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we're flipping v 1 villain ldo? and by flipping I mean we are 55/45.

yeah good point. i'm not sure i even knew which hand this thread was about when i posted that.