JJ in BB first hand.

first hand. no notes on villain. not full stacked.
villain tanked before betting the turn.
Im pretty sure I played it fine just want to see what others would do.

$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
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9 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($56.18)
UTG+1 ($25.65)
MP1 ($9.73)
MP2 ($24.65)
MP3 ($22.68)
CO ($32.23)
BTN ($25)
SB ($29.83)
kick (BB) ($25)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 9 players) kick is BB :jh: :jc:
3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, 4 folds, kick calls $0.50

Flop: :2s: :4h: :ts: ($1.60, 2 players)
kick checks, MP2 bets $1.50, kick calls $1.50

Turn: :4s: ($4.60, 2 players)
kick checks, MP2 bets $2, $2 to kick ($22.75)?

call

^ what he said

^ what they said

i'd d/f non T/K+/s river for like 6 and d/f non T/s for like 3.

call

Anyone mind if I jump on this to see if I am learning anything?

Pre-flop
Kick called because his hand was pretty good. (One of the best, so says my fishy pre-flop chart....)

Flop
Kick checked because he was first to go and wanted to see what happened?
Kick was right to call because even though he had nothing valuable on the flop, the shared cards didn't give much potential for the villain (can I call that range?). Maybe building a straight, but a very low one so might fold if pushed, a possible flush and any pair built from the shared cards would be low. Possible three of a kind (a set?) and any two pair combos would be with a pair of tens max.

Turn
Kick checked because - see above.
Villain tanked. Is that pausing to think in this instance? Kick has his two pairs and JJ is pretty strong. Villain might have a flush but any two pairs is going to be lower than bikes (unless villain had a better starting hand in the first place). Also a chance of a three of a kind again. Presumably the chances of his having a four of a kind are way too remote and he wouldn't have tanked unless deliberately.

Am I even close on the thinking?

Also, quite interested to know what happened in the end!

Pre: He calls because JJ is extremely strong, but definitely not strong enough to 3b v MP open. This is because with no history Villain's 3b calling range will be rather tight and we do not expect that many worse hands to call. In other words raising here would be turning our hand into a bluff. Easy call.

Flop: We have an overpair to the board and are way ahead of villain's range. Main reason we have to check this board is that a bet eliminates the value we will pick up from weakest portion of our villain's range that will be making a continuation bet a fair amount of the time. Our villain's bet keeps his range pretty wide, but raising is bad because he will rarely be calling with worse.

Turn: Any flush draws just got there, but we still have an overpair to the board. Again a bet here is not going to get us a lot of value as most hands are beating us or folding. When he bets $2 we call as he can be representing the flush, have a ten, or even potentially have 77-99. The fact that our villain bet <1/2 pot makes this an easy call.

My question, if turn bet had been $4, still an easy call?
What is our plan on what rivers?

PF:
Opponents range:
AQ+, AT+ KTs+, QJ, JTs, 22+

Our calling range:
22-JJ, AQ, KQ

Flat is just fine

Flop:
Opponent's CBet would get action from any pair exept 33, flush draws, Tx, maybe AQ could peel one. Villain would CBet this board with quite a wide range.

Raising would get value only from AT and flush draws. Rest of calling range would destroy us and flush draws could 3Bet us and force us fold. -> C/C is a good line.

Turn:
It's highly unlikely he has 4 in his hand and also we should not get too worried of the spade draw filling. He could be double barreling with K or A of spades in his hands. His turn CBet could make our weak pairs like 44-99 fold.

I would be calling here always.

River plan:
X of spades -> check/fold. I have made some small blocking bet's in these situations against certain players. I'm not sure if it's +EV in the end. I would not bluff.

Q-A -> Check/Fold. Villain would not bluff three barrels on this board.

Anything else -> check -> consider the odds.. We are also new player to him. We have called his bet PF, called his bet on flop and also called his bet on turn. Call, call, call.. We could seem to be a weak calling station in his eyes according the three streets we have played. Third barrel against unknown player who have acted like a calling station is not +EV for the villain. He would in most cases be value betting his full house, flush or QQ+ and AT. We would beat his AT, though.

We would value donk our flush and full house most likely. He has to put us on AT or JJ-QQ.

Mm, what about value donk/fold river.. don't know. We could have value from the AT and would also be able define the price we want to pay to see his hand.

Edit: messed up finals thoughts

I definitely think 9Ts and QTs if not 8Ts are in villain's range. Especially if 22-66 are.

Definitely want to hear more thoughts on our reactions to a psb on turn as well as plans on multiple rivers.

Also how does villain's turn bet sizing impact our perception of his range?

OK, I am beat for now. I need to learn more!

Thanks for coming back to me guys!

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Originally Posted by Mr. Bucket

I definitely think 9Ts and QTs if not 8Ts are in villain's range. Especially if 22-66 are.

Definitely want to hear more thoughts on our reactions to a psb on turn as well as plans on multiple rivers.

Also how does villain's turn bet sizing impact our perception of his range?

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I really have to agree adding those hands in his range. Less than half a pot bet seems to be weak bluff, nuts or weak ten. One of the hands you listed.

It would definitely be interesting to hear opinions of bigger sized turn bets.