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Vil is 19/8/40 over 20

i dont care for my limp behind given relative position. despite that pre should be a fold....
Rise flop? I thought CO may be drawing so i wanted to keep him involved too..so went my thought process during the hand but idk.
Turn?

UTG ($5.08)
UTG+1 ($3)
Hero (MP1) ($4.06)
MP2 ($3.74)
CO ($3.98)
Button ($2.66)
SB ($4.70)
BB ($4)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
UTG calls $0.04, UTG+1 calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, 1 fold, CO calls $0.04, 2 folds, BB checks

Flop: ($0.22) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.16, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.16, CO calls $0.16, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.70) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG bets $0.70, Hero?

call imo

i would fold pre

as played , flop seems fine to me, but i am folding turn. we have 11 clear outs( 6/clubs), so we have ~23% equity, that means no pot odds in this moment of the hand and implied odds arent that good either since he doesnt seem the kind of villain to stack off on clubs/6 rivers even though his range seem pretty strong , i think he has 55, 88 and sometimes KK, 67s.

just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Razvan729

i would fold pre

as played , flop seems fine to me, but i am folding turn. we have 11 clear outs( 6/clubs), so we have ~23% equity, that means no pot odds in this moment of the hand and implied odds arent that good either since he doesnt seem the kind of villain to stack off on clubs/6 rivers even though his range seem pretty strong , i think he has 55, 88 and sometimes KK, 67s.

just my opinion.

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i'm going with this

I would fold PF, too, why call against a 19/8 UTG caller with K7?

I would put villain on KQ,55,88. He would have raised PF with KK? On flop the pot is small, not worth getting into trouble against a set. We don´t improve, so fold on turn.

we are getting 2:1 and we have 12 outs against pretty much any hand except stuff like Ac6c. this means we make our hand ~25% of the time. and our direct pot odds are 33%. we seriously don't need to extract very much at all on rivers we hit in order to break-even. not to mention he can have worse FD's some of the time, or Axcc (which we currently beat). or that we have as many as 15 outs against some parts of his range

edit: havent played poker in a while so my thought process may be out. seems to make sense though.

Let's not forget that silly micro strategy of limping UTG with AA. These stats are too irrelevant to rule out anything, and this line makes sense for someone who adopts that strategy... Those people also never ever fold aces. Despite playing a hand that should have been folded pre, you hit pretty much everything you could hope for. Your implied odds should be enough to make up for the pot odds as rpm mentioned. I like a call followed by c/f unimproved rivers.

Fold pre for sure, not folding post flop though. I'm thinking raise flop and happily get it in.
As played call turn, don't raise now. Stack club/6 rivers happily, probably just call K or 7 rivers unless bet size is ridic small or he checks over, in which case bet. Missed rivers assess his sizing, probably just fold.

yes, as i said in op pre obv should be a fold.

wasnt considering raising the turn..especially once he pots it.

id like to hear some arguments for and against raising flop.

I thought players behind me could call with worse draws etc and Im not sure I had much fe once utg bet into a 4way pot...thats why i elected to call...not sure this is correct though.

I'd call turn since we only need to extract $0.70 on the river, his sizing weights his range more towards slowplayed AA/AK than sets/draws imo.

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Originally Posted by thelorax

id like to hear some arguments for and against raising flop.

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Pro
Likely to get a HU pot in position with initiative on the turn.

Con
Little fold equity because his range for leading into 4 people is strong.
If he 3bets all in at best we're 45-55.
Worse draws cannot call behind.

Pre-flop is a mistake because we have a weak hand and there is a very high chance that we won't be last to act pre-flop and/or there will be a pre-flop raise behind us.

Turn is an easy call.

fold pre/raise pre >>> call pre
as played call flop
now call turn as played

I would love it for some of the players who advocate calling to give us the range they expect us to be calling against.
I must be too much of a nit b/c I dont see what this player is betting the flop with (into 2 villains) and potting the turn with anything less than a better K than us, sets and perhaps AA. I never thought that calling psb's with FD's was a good way to go. Even if you paired your 7 or hit another K I wouldnt be too assured of victory here.

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Originally Posted by Vinland

I would love it for some of the players who advocate calling to give us the range they expect us to be calling against.
I must be too much of a nit b/c I dont see what this player is betting the flop with (into 2 villains) and potting the turn with anything less than a better K than us, sets and perhaps AA. I never thought that calling psb's with FD's was a good way to go. Even if you paired your 7 or hit another K I wouldnt be too assured of victory here.

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some 55, some 88, some AA/AK (discounted), some KQ/KJ/KT/K9, some infrequent 66/77/99. Turning the gutshot adds to our implied odds. Villain is bet-calling allin a non-zero amount when we river our non-flush straight, and is bet-folding or check-calling enough to give us implied odds with our flush draw cos stations etc. We win at showdown when we river two pair often enough too.

idk, id fold preflop but since u didnt i raise flop to .40 if he 3bets AI were flipping at worst i dont see how we can make a HUGE mistake on flop.