JJ river thin on KKKQ8

villain is 17-12 doesn't trust me much
stabs some
river sizing?

$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
8 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($25.71)
UTG+1 ($30.34)
MP1 ($25)
MP2 ($15.31)
CO ($27.50)
BTN ($10)
SB ($9.40)
daven (BB) ($62.09)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 8 players) daven is BB :jd: :js:
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 3 folds, daven raises to $1.30, MP2 calls $1.05

Flop: :8c: :kc: :ks: ($2.70, 2 players)
daven bets $1.80, MP2 calls $1.80

Turn: :kh: ($6.30, 2 players)
daven checks, MP2 bets $2.50, daven calls $2.50

River: :qc: ($11.30, 2 players)
daven bets $1.60,

I'd check/call to give him the chance to keep on bluffing (not that often though imo). If he has a small pair I don't think he'll call your river bet much.

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Originally Posted by Hoopy

I'd check/call to give him the chance to keep on bluffing (not that often though imo). If he has a small pair I don't think he'll call your river bet much.

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Exactly, I think with $11.30 in the pot, you might squeeze $3 out of him. He has almost exactly a PSB. His range has alot of made hands like low-mid pp. checking will almost always result in a checkback from villian on river.

I think betting is fine here, probably a little more but definitely no more then 1/2.

why do we check turn

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Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

why do we check turn

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edit: Erm yeah I'm a little confused now too.

did you check the turn to allow him to take a stab? i think i'd prefer to just bet for value. he probably won't fold any pair or even some Ax. and i think 3-of-a-kind boards tend to prevent stabbers from stabbing. also giving him the initiative on the turn kind of restricts our ability to value bet rivers i think. though i'm having a hard time putting my reasoning for that in words. i guess because bet, check-call, lead river is likely to be perceived as a value line. and the alternative to that (if we do check the turn) allows villain to control the river action and causing us to miss a bet the times he checks back his A high's that he would call with.

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Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

why do we check turn

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i check the turn because i don't think i get three streets here ever, but i do think he can stab. I'm check-folding the turn here a bunch too depending on timing/sizing.

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Originally Posted by daven

i check the turn because i don't think i get three streets here ever, but i do think he can stab. I'm check-folding the turn here a bunch too depending on timing/sizing.

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are we really c/f'ing turn like ever here?
i feel like im missing something, but probably not because i know that you're capable of folding quads lol

yeah C/Fing turn seems like a mistake vs almost anyone. especially if we have a read that he likes to take stabs when he thinks he sees weakness.

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Originally Posted by daven

i check the turn because i don't think i get three streets here ever, but i do think he can stab. I'm check-folding the turn here a bunch too depending on timing/sizing.

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If that's your plan then c/c river also, but I still think betting turn is way better if he doesn't trust you very much.

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Originally Posted by d0zer

If that's your plan then c/c river also, but I still think betting turn is way better if he doesn't trust you very much.

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i think you guys are all correct about this. Thanks heaps, i'm glad i posted this hand - it has got me thinking a bunch. What would everyone size turn at?

turn = $3.50

Just reading and tryin' to reawaken my poker brain after a year off. I would bet turn $4.25.

About $4 on the turn I reckon. I like a small river bet - it gives him a chance to call with a small PP, and if he's spewy he might shove the flush.