$200 NL River bet

Just sat down at this table. My rep so far is LAG even though I'm playing TAG. I just hit a string of premium cards as soon as I sat down and played them aggressively, but never had to showdown.

MP limps. (Stack $180, has been calling small bets and folding to big ones.)

I raise to $8 in LP with :9h: :9d: (My stack $240)

BB calls (Stack $260, hasn't played a hand yet since I've been there). MP calls.

Pot $25. Flop is :8h: :7c: :3c:

Checks to me, I bet $18. BB calls. MP calls.

Pot $79. Turn :2d:

Checks to me, I bet $45. BB calls. MP calls.

Pot $214. River :9s: Checks to me, Hero thinks for a long time...

Looks like a routine shove to me. Hard to think you're beat and I hate betting less than a shove in these spots.

i don't understand what you are asking? this looks like the easiest jam in the world. am i missing something?

checking is pretty appealing to me

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Originally Posted by bikes

checking is pretty appealing to me

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Why?

i, too, am interested to hear the rationale behind checking here.

vs two villains makes it slightly more likely that one of them hits a river straight, but it's pretty rare (TJ means calling a gutshot twice, T6 is unlikely to see a flop, 56 is only occasional). They beat TT most of the time they call on the river, but you absolutely crush TT so all good - they can easily call a jam with overpairs, two pairs, and lower sets.

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Originally Posted by bikes

checking is pretty appealing to me

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care to expand on why?

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Looks like a routine shove to me. Hard to think you're beat and I hate betting less than a shove in these spots.

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Can you explain why you hate betting less than a shove here?

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Originally Posted by bikes

checking is pretty appealing to me

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That's exactly what I did, and afterward, I felt kind of silly since I was way ahead, but I still felt like my reasoning was sound.

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Originally Posted by daven

vs two villains makes it slightly more likely that one of them hits a river straight, but it's pretty rare

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That quote was pretty much my reasoning for checking. But like I said, I felt kind of dumb afterward when the BB showed :4d: :4c: and the MP showed :9c: :th: . I have no idea what the pocket fours was thinking. I guess he was trying to be a hero, but I'm pretty sure he would have folded to a river bet.

My reasoning was this: a straight is the only thing that's going to call me. I put at least one of them on a draw, either the straight draw or the flush draw. It's hard to put one of them on the 9T because it's the case nine, so that leaves 56, and the busted flush draw won't call me.

With the draw potential on the board, I couldn't understand why they would check call all the way to the river with an overpair, two pair, or trips. So one had a pair and the other had a draw or they both had a draw. Either way, nothing is going to call me unless I get check raised by the 56. If someone has the A8, the nine is their scare card. They could put me on 89 or 9T or a straight, so they probably wouldn't call either.

I'm still not sure if this is the right thought though. I feel like I need to figure out how to be a little more aggressive on the river, and this hand really stuck out as one that I could have played differently. Considering my rep at that point, I'm pretty sure the 9T would have called a nice sized value bet, so I lost some money here.

This is a very easy shove because he doesn't bet with a ton of hands he calls with.

check if your stack if your liferoll... ship dat sucka

Bet larger on the turn. As played on the river I think I prefer a very small bet, perhaps the same size as you bet the turn or maybe even smaller. Given the card removal of your hand, I doubt you get looked up here very often when you shove.

Checking is an extremely bad play, like as in you shouldn't be playing 1/2 IMO. No offense.

Checking seems better than shoving. When we shove, what calls us? All that's left in their ranges that can call is T9, J9, JT. With blockers, TJ is way more likely. Plus top pair might even fold to shove, since we've 3barrelled after opening pre. If we have notes that tell us either of these can call big river bets with junk pairs, then yeah shove becomes a lot easier.

I can see the merit in betting a small amount. There's value against 8x if we keep it small.

so much missed! and MP folds to big bets.

tbh i think it's nearly impossible to have worse call a shove unless u coolered the living fuck out of them

I'd wager that both villains are too scared to bluff rivers with missed draws in 3ways enough that we have to bet something. Smallbet is probably better than shove. The shit that can call a shove will shove over mostly anyway.

guys, he's last to act

this is why renton wins the big bucks. A+ observation skills.

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Originally Posted by Renton

guys, he's last to act

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cannot explain. the amount of facepalming. i am doing. right now. god. i. am. dumber. than. fuck.

and this is why i never venture in here anymore...

infairness to me this hh is poorly worded -.-

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

and this is why i never venture in here anymore...

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...because people occasionally misread hands?

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Originally Posted by d0zer

...because people occasionally misread hands?

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yup

If i'm not mistaken, we might be talking about a live hand? In which case, I like a shove a lot less.

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Originally Posted by surviva316

If i'm not mistaken, we might be talking about a live hand? In which case, I like a shove a lot less.

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You're probably right about the live game. In which case, I like a shove a lot more.

Easy jam. Don't get cute.. Get it in!

bet 1/3 pot on the river and get looked up by at least one player very often. I think shoves never get called here by anything that checks to you which is not the nuts.

Sometimes players call bets before the river because they think they're ahead. Take this hand for example.

I'm definitely just shoving the river, there is like, nothing that beats you enough to not shove.

Yeah, but Ram, I think there's enough weaker hands that will call a v-bet but not a shove.

I would have bet a bit larger on the turn 3way.

As played easy river shove .

Value betting small is much much better than shoving the river.