QQ calls smallish raise pre? FOLD FLOP?

Guy was 12/12 over 100 hands played pretty straight forward.
Should I be flatting pre flop OOP with this hand??? I feel like this is horrible and I am sure you guys are going to tell me it is.. Is this a 3bet pre or fold. As played are we ever calling flop to reassess turn or is this pretty much a fold too.

Thanks

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Cake-Poker Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

CO ($15.95)
Button ($10.92)
SB ($9.80)
BB ($5.14)
UTG ($14.40)
UTG+1 ($11.20)
Hero (MP1) ($12.05)
MP2 ($5.86)
MP3 ($3.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Qhttp://www.handhistoryconverter.com/...ards/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.handhistoryconverter.com/...ds/diamond.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, MP3 raises to $0.90, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.95) Ahttp://www.handhistoryconverter.com/...ards/spade.gif, 5http://www.handhistoryconverter.com/...ds/diamond.gif, 10http://www.handhistoryconverter.com/...ards/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $1, Hero folds

Total pot: $1.95 | Rake: $0.13

QQ is one of the few hands I'll often call a 3bet oop with so I don't mind the call pre - against this kind of player, you probably can't profitably 4bet since he probably doesn't have a 3bet-fold range, so when he 5bets you'll have to fold.

If there are any overcards on the flop, and indeed even if there aren't, you're in a tricky spot against someone playing 12/12.

Perhaps it's better just to fold preflop - it seems really weak tight, but I dunno, I'd generally call here, and often get myself in trouble.

EDIT: I just noticed he's only like 30bb deep - I might well just 4bet and get it in here, it seems kind of odd for a 12/12 to be sitting short like that but meh, I don't really know if I could find a fold vs someone 30bb deep with a hand as strong as QQ, I guess it depends on his 3bet range, if he's only 3betting {AK, KK, AA} then you've got to fold, but vs say {QQ, KK, AA, AK, AQ} you've got enough equity to get it in and be no worse than flipping against that range.

Bearing that in mind, and that he's 12/12, although it's a tough one, I think perhaps folding is best. If he does 3bet wide enough that you have some fold equity against the weaker parts of his range, that probably doesn't compensate for the times he 5bets and you have to fold having put a ton of dead money in the pot.

If he was 100bb deep and the sort to only 3bet hands he'll then stack off with on the flop, you could call to setmine.

If villain is 12/12 how often is he 3bing. Get it in pre, he must have worse in his range.

shove pre. you will be ahead of the average 30bb stacks felting range w/QQ i suspect

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Originally Posted by kickass

If villain is 12/12 how often is he 3bing. Get it in pre, he must have worse in his range.

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I don't have the stats in front of me.... How low would the % need to be to get you to fold this hand out?? 4%?? I am not sure about this.. Thanks for the help

:shipit: pre

4% is like TT+ AQs+ AKo do you think you should ship it vs that range when villain puts in a 3rd of his stack? remember villain isn't cold calling at all, whats he doing with AQ and TT?

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Originally Posted by kickass

4% is like TT+ AQs+ AKo do you think you should ship it vs that range when villain puts in a 3rd of his stack? remember villain isn't cold calling at all, whats he doing with AQ and TT?

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If that is the range I would ship it. I am not sure what he does with AQ or TT?

Stack size is the key this hand, vs a 30BB stack I'm shoving, if he had 80BB or so I'd consider calling but I think 4betting is probably ok vs any stack < 100BB.

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Originally Posted by gotigers1234

If that is the range I would ship it. I am not sure what he does with AQ or TT?

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I think what kick was getting at is that I doubt he's folding AQ or TT to a single raise, in which case if he never cold calls, he must be 3betting them. If that's so, and his 3bet range is TT+ AQ+, then you have enough equity to get it in.

I think the sample size is probably not big enough to say he never cold calls, but it would seem he does so rarely if he's gone 100 hands without any difference between his vpip and pfr.

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Originally Posted by BorisTheSpider

I think what kick was getting at is that I doubt he's folding AQ or TT to a single raise, in which case if he never cold calls, he must be 3betting them. If that's so, and his 3bet range is TT+ AQ+, then you have enough equity to get it in.

I think the sample size is probably not big enough to say he never cold calls, but it would seem he does so rarely if he's gone 100 hands without any difference between his vpip and pfr.

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Ok I understand what he is saying now.. Thanks for the clarification boris.

putting your chips in pre would be ok here, as played check-fold is fine