Strange hand - thoughts?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($2)
Hero (BB) ($2.82)
UTG ($4.47)
MP ($2)
CO ($2.95)
Button ($2)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif
UTG bets $0.08, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.17) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.06, Hero raises to $0.18, UTG calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.53) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.38, UTG raises to $1.32, Hero folds

Total pot: $1.29 | Rake: $0.05

I think he had 88 77 or 9J for sure, he opened to 0.08 with a PP before and showed pocket 77's.

Do you have any other info on villain????

Are you running a hud?

Nah no hud, he was fairly loose all the nutted hands were definitely in his range though, and he stacked a guy a few hands before when he shipped it thats all i really had to go on, the only conclusion i could come to was he flopped a set, turned a set or turned a straight since it was such a strong move on the turn.

cant decide if we are giving far too much credit to an unknown at 2nl (lol?) or whether this is a text book set from villain and fold.

Gut instinct was call when i saw the HH and I think still is but any clue about villain would help - if he seems remotly competent id fold pretty fast

Wow flop sizing...just wow.

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Originally Posted by surviva316

Wow flop sizing...just wow.

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Yeah. Not folding top two against this guy, not for shit. I'm shoving, and making notes whatever he shows up with.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Yeah. Not folding top two against this guy, not for shit. I'm shoving, and making notes whatever he shows up with.

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It's hard to comment on much in the hand due to lack of reads. Preflop is literally just as likely to be a 3b as it is to be a flat as it is to be a fold. Turn could potentially be a fold and COULD potentially be a call (though almost never). It depends on reads.

Flop sizing is always bad though in any situation where villain has a flatting range.

EDIT: All that being said, Hero's line is eeehhhhhhh. It's like we underrepped the near nuts only to fold it once villain showed that he was interested in getting stacks in.

Flop sizing too small to large? I think you mean its too small but just to clarify?

Not sure there's much value in spoon feeding in this instance.

Beside, the much more important point of my post is that we needs read on villain because every street in this hand could go several different ways depending on villain's tendency. As it stands, I really have no idea what villain's range is on any of the three streets, so there's not fruitful discussion to be had.

call ai or jam w/e on the turn folding is sick bad

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Originally Posted by surviva316

Not sure there's much value in spoon feeding in this instance.

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I guess it would at least be worthwhile to point out that once you "see" his $0.06 bet (breaking out the old-school terminology), the pot is $0.29, and you are forcing him to call $0.12 more. So you're effectively betting 12 into 29.

Just figure how much the pot would be if you were to call (his 6 cent bet+your 6 cent call+the original 17 cent pot) and whatever amount you're putting on TOP of your call is how much you're forcing him to call into that pot.

As played, you're giving him 3.5:1 odds on a call.

I would have jammed pre flop.

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Originally Posted by surviva316

So you're effectively betting 12 into 29.

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I see now never knew to add your call on, thanks for this.

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Originally Posted by Sloomer

I would have jammed pre flop.

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Risk 141bbs to win 5.5bbs? Assuming villain's range is 22+/AJo+/KQ/ATs+/JTs+, he would need to fold everything but KK+ 100% of the time for that to be profitable.