AK flopped A high

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

BB: $18.27 (182.7 bb)
Hero (CO): $12.48 (124.8 bb)
BTN: $10.10 (101 bb)
SB: $19.38 (193.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K:club: A:spade:
Hero raises to $0.25, 2 folds, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.55) A:club: 4:spade: 2:spade: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.36, BB raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.84

Turn: ($2.95) Q:spade: (2 players)
BB bets $1.96, Hero calls $1.96

River: ($6.87) A:heart: (2 players)
BB bets $2.29, Hero calls $2.29

He was a tight aggressive player. Would you have called his bet on the turn and river?

Fold flop vs the check-raise seems the best option given that you hold the Ace of spades so block flush draws in his c-raise flop range. As played i'd probably just call it down vs that turn sizing.

If he's tight aggressive, are we assuming he's solid, and thus using a HUD? If so, then our image from his pov is going to play a significant role I'd imagine. If we appear tight, then this flop c/r is surely a clear fold, wheras if he thinks we're raising the CO too much, then this would probably be a call.

And yeah as played, on this runout I'm calling down.

He loves that flop so give it up,
wait for a better position than just one pair to play big pots.
I guess you did call his river, so what was the bad news, Did he flop the straight or river the full house?

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Originally Posted by chemist

He loves that flop so give it up,
wait for a better position than just one pair to play big pots.
I guess you did call his river, so what was the bad news, Did he flop the straight or river the full house?

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Sorry, Onga told me not to post results any more so I won't

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Originally Posted by ManchesterUnited

Sorry, Onga told me not to post results any more so I won't

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He meant in the original post,
to give people a chance to analyse the hands without prejudice,
you can post results after it has been discussed.

In fact you can do what you like, Onga isn't the boss.
You don't have to do what that Red Floccinaucinihilipilificator says.

Yeah I'm not the boss, you can post results if you want. But it's better not to. I'm not saying don't post results to be an arse, there's a reason for it. When you post results, it tends to influence people, especially when it comes to discussing villain's range.

Your bet sizing is too small in a couple of the hands I see you posting. You have top pair great kicker and a backdoor nut flush draw. The only thing you need to be worried about here really is AA and let's be honest: He doesn't have AA and this is confirmed by the river. You have blockers and combos. You're in great shape to push hard right out of the gate here, IMO. Obviously in this case he simply would have reraised your cbet anyway but this only would have narrowed his range down further.

Does anyone who's experienced have an opinion on this? I'm wondering about it myself quite a bit lately. I am facing a ton of villains at these stakes who will almost religiously call 1/2 to 2/3rd cbets at this point. On dry boards where I have like TPTK, I'm cbetting pot now and they're calling it almost as much as they're calling the 2/3rd cbet in the same situation. It's just more value and a bigger pot on the turn in the end. Anything wrong with this?

BigSlick, if you're opponents are exploitable by calling large cbets with weak hands, the only wrong thing you can do is not exploit them.

There are so many players that desperately want to see if their runner, runner draw, 2nd pair, PP is going to hit the turn, they will call ridiculous amounts. They simply don't have any idea about pot/implied odds. So, bet the maximum amount that their worse hand or draw will call. Obviously, this is all very read dependent.

Earlier tonight, I bet about 1.25x the pot on the flop and turn w only a T high TPTK. I did it because the opponent routinely calls down with any pair any kicker. With the extra large bets, I was able to easily get the stacks in by the river. I took his stack with top pair on a T high board. There are only a handful of opponents that I would try that against.

Note that this makes YOU exploitable in that you are not going to bet as much when you cbet air so you only follow this strategy against the fish who are not paying attention.

Against attentive regs, your cbet needs to be based primarily on the texture of the board with, of course, some consideration of your opponent. I'm going to bet more against a reg who likes to float, for instance. What I won't do is bet more based on the strength of my hand. Regs will pick up on that. I also don't want to bet so much that all worse hands will fold. That's where the 1/2 bet on dry boards and 3/4 or so on wet boards guideline comes from.

I'll be interested to hear the thoughts of others.

I can't imagine folding the flop or the turn. By the time the river rolls around I'm not loving it, but the pot odds are just too good to fold imo.

You need to be good less than 20% of the time, so I figure that must be the case.

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Originally Posted by boutron

BigSlick, if you're opponents are exploitable by calling large cbets with weak hands, the only wrong thing you can do is not exploit them.

There are so many players that desperately want to see if their runner, runner draw, 2nd pair, PP is going to hit the turn, they will call ridiculous amounts. They simply don't have any idea about pot/implied odds. So, bet the maximum amount that their worse hand or draw will call. Obviously, this is all very read dependent.

Earlier tonight, I bet about 1.25x the pot on the flop and turn w only a T high TPTK. I did it because the opponent routinely calls down with any pair any kicker. With the extra large bets, I was able to easily get the stacks in by the river. I took his stack with top pair on a T high board. There are only a handful of opponents that I would try that against.

Note that this makes YOU exploitable in that you are not going to bet as much when you cbet air so you only follow this strategy against the fish who are not paying attention.

Against attentive regs, your cbet needs to be based primarily on the texture of the board with, of course, some consideration of your opponent. I'm going to bet more against a reg who likes to float, for instance. What I won't do is bet more based on the strength of my hand. Regs will pick up on that. I also don't want to bet so much that all worse hands will fold. That's where the 1/2 bet on dry boards and 3/4 or so on wet boards guideline comes from.

I'll be interested to hear the thoughts of others.

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Great post. Thank you.

The only thing that I can add is that I do tend to polarize my ranges quite a bit at this point and am generally finding that I'm far, far less readable than I was even 10k hands ago. As a result, I'm getting a lot of huge cbet calls when I'm actually hitting the board and a lot of folds when I'm not. The really laggy, fishy players who run like 48/21/13 and what not are really struggling with this because the entire platform of their strategy is just to call, call, call, bet huge, bluff huge, and try to take down every pot they can like this. A few times recently they have just refused to believe that I was holding what I was clearly representing and they called off their whole stack on a ridiculous overshove by me on the river when they were holding as weak as middle pair and I had a set or a full house. :D

Not that this involved a huge cbet, but it's still a perfect example of what I just discuss:

Revolution Gaming Network - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $5.30 (VPIP: 23.16, PFR: 16.45, 3Bet Preflop: 6.75, Hands: 1,076)
Hero (UTG): $4.58
CO: $12.55 (VPIP: 23.30, PFR: 5.83, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 106)
BTN: $11.05 (VPIP: 28.29, PFR: 23.36, 3Bet Preflop: 6.44, Hands: 877)
SB: $4.47 (VPIP: 54.72, PFR: 15.09, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 109)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has T:club: T:spade:

Hero raises to $0.12, fold, fold, SB calls $0.10, fold

Flop: ($0.28, 2 players) T:diamond: 3:diamond: 4:spade:
SB checks, Hero bets $0.19, SB calls $0.19

Turn: ($0.66, 2 players) Q:spade:
SB checks, Hero bets $0.44, SB calls $0.44

River: ($1.54, 2 players) 7:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets $3.83 and is all-in, SB calls $3.72 and is all-in

Hero shows T:club: T:spade: (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 84%, Flop 85%, Turn 91%)
SB shows 5:spade: 7:club: (One Pair, Sevens) (Pre 16%, Flop 15%, Turn 9%)
Hero wins $8.39