Set OTR vs 2 Villains

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02-11-2015, 10:54 AM
DJAbacus

Set OTR vs 2 Villains

BTN is 14/14 AF=10
CO is unknown

PF] Fine
F] Fine
T] Value bet as I think I'm still ahead though I'm struggling to put BTN on a range. FDs GS Overpairs 77 55 76s-32s. I think CO is coming along for the ride.
R] Shoving is just folding out worse hands so decide to c/f here.

888 Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $2.06
SB: $2.08
BB: $2.14
UTG: $4.04
Hero (MP): $2.19
CO: $2.56

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has 3:club: 3:diamond:

UTG calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.06, CO calls $0.06, BTN calls $0.06, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.27, 4 players) 7:spade: 3:spade: 5:club:
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.20, fold, BTN calls $0.20, UTG calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.87, 3 players) 6:heart:
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.65, BTN calls $0.65, UTG calls $0.65

River: ($2.82, 3 players) 9:diamond:
UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN??
02-11-2015, 12:24 PM
Keith

pre - fine , flop could argue for overbetting here to .40 overpairs like 88,99,TT are likely to pay off on this flop, lots of Ax combos will call with two overcards and lots of A2-A7 combos will call to chase a draw along with flush chasers.Turn card is almost the worst card in the deck for you . I'm now in full pot control mode and will check. 4x and 89 now have you beaten. I'm only callin a small bet to quad or boat up. river just hoping it checks down.
02-11-2015, 04:14 PM
Sin Uggla

Flop is OK in my opinion, need to bet a bit higher against 2 and on a draw heavy board.
Tough decision on the river with 2 callers on the turn and a river card that is not really nice either. Fold against a large bet.
02-11-2015, 06:38 PM
OngBonga

It's on button, does he bet? I'm calling unless he overbets.
02-12-2015, 10:26 AM
DJAbacus

Quote:

Originally Posted by OngBonga

It's on button, does he bet? I'm calling unless he overbets.

I'm not sure what you mean by overbet here. He's all in with about 40% pot.

He checked and showed 65s, which made me think about AF at 2nl. His is very high (10) and I wonder if that is because he is double barreling a lot but when it comes to big decisions OTR he plays straight forward.
02-12-2015, 10:40 AM
OngBonga

Oh yeah, I didn't bother to look at stacks. I just saw the action was on him, and wondered what the questions was.

Well, I'm calling if he shoves. I'd be tempted to bet to put him in, bearing in mind he probably feels pot committed with anything of showdown value.
02-12-2015, 04:18 PM
DJAbacus

Quote:

Originally Posted by OngBonga

.... bearing in mind he probably feels pot committed with anything of showdown value.

Is your standard SNAP 2nl reg going to be thinking at this level? I don't...I just think....mmmmmm...this is way too complicated....check...
02-16-2015, 10:32 PM
OngBonga

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJAbacus

Is your standard SNAP 2nl reg going to be thinking at this level? I don't...I just think....mmmmmm...this is way too complicated....check...

You're looking at it wrong imo. Villain is short stack and has nearly half his stack in the pot. He's gonna call a lot wider than average. I don't expect him to fold T9ss, for example. There's not many 8x in any of our ranges here.

I think I do check river over to him, just to keep bluffs in his range. But putting him in isn't out of the question. I'd expect a half pot river bet, and a c/c, to both be profitable. I'd lean c/c because utg is still in the hand.

*edit - I just saw 4x makes a straight too. Hmm it's stickier than I first realised, 4x is more likely here. Yeah check river.
02-17-2015, 06:05 AM
Timlagor

That AF10 is worrying -this passive play from him might be something he only does when really strong, Is it unreasonable to think a BTN shove here is 77/55?
UTG could be trapping too (or just a fish as you suggest).

For 40% of pot I'm still tempted to call though unless UTG does and at this level you might still be ahead (at least you get to see and make a note if you fold to both)
02-26-2015, 02:47 AM
speedcake

You could fold PF. :) Did you have any reads or info on what kind of hands UTG open limps? What about people behind you, how do they react to iso raises?
03-05-2015, 04:23 PM
griffey24

Turn is a bit thin into two ppl I think, but don't hate it.

River yah check/re-eval, what's the action?
03-14-2015, 03:13 PM
BigSlickBaby

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedcake

You could fold PF. :) Did you have any reads or info on what kind of hands UTG open limps? What about people behind you, how do they react to iso raises?

What kind of nonsense is this? Why would he fold 33 pre?

As for the OP's hand: Check turn and pot control.
03-18-2015, 03:50 PM
Runge-Kutta

Why is everybody fine with OP opening 33 from MP? Is this really standard now?

I'd probably bet bigger on the turn and x/f the river, unless he's betting really small.
03-18-2015, 05:23 PM
BigSlickBaby

Quote:

Originally Posted by Runge-Kutta

Why is everybody fine with OP opening 33 from MP? Is this really standard now?

I'd probably bet bigger on the turn and x/f the river, unless he's betting really small.

I am under the impression that it's standard to open any pocket pair from MP in 6max. Any PP.

I typically open any pp from UTG, let alone MP. The worst that happens to 22 is it gets 3bet and I fold. The best is that I get a few donk callers and then I flop a set on a dry board. Either way, I'm not folding a pocket pair as the opener.