BCing the River (5 handed 6max Bovada 25nl)

SO one of my biggest leaks is probably Bet Calling the river. I haven't looked it up lately but I think last time I checked I was losing 1000bb/100 doing BC's on the river.

If I BC the river, it usually has to be the stone cold nuts or close to it.

I wouldn't be surprised if a month worth of play and 40,000 hands, if I BC the river, if it turns out to be a profitable play with anything less than a hand close to the nuts (If I have nuts I'm raising his raise), it's perhaps once a month.

This is two hands where I think I induced him to make this huge raise on the river forcing me to BC.

Thinking back I think I had a note on Villain that in a previous hand he had floated a bluff cbet with 2 overs, no draws and not even A high. So IMO he's a classic calling station.

So this is the first hand

VIllain is Loose-Passive Whale with 144bb

VPIP 57
PFR 2
AGG 0.9
3BET 2.9

Hero is borderline LAG and TAG with 112bb

Hero is CO delt KsKc

MP1 folds
Here in CO raises 3bb
Villain in BTN calls
SB folds
BB folds

Flop comes 348ss

Pot is 7.5bb

Hero leads for 5.5bb
BTN calls

Pot is 19bb going into turn.

Turn is 10c

Hero Cbets turn 12.5bb
BTN calls 12.5bb

Pot is 43bb going into river.

River is 3c

Hero fires a third barrel 22bb into 43bb pot.

Villain calls, pot is 82.5bb after rake.

Hero shows KK, Villain shows A8s

Hero wins pot.

So the very next hand is where I think I induced him to make a huge bluff based on the previous hand. I think I put him on tilt a little bit since I took him for over 40bb the previous hand.

MP1 Hero has 155bb
CO Villain has 101bb

Hero picks up AKo MP1 5 handed 6max

Hero PFR's 3bb
Villain in CO calls

Flop comes K24 rainbow.

Pot is 7.5bb

Hero does standard cbet 4.5bb
CO calls

Turn is 7s

At this point in the hand I decided I don't want to play it the EXACT same way I did the KK, and was hoping maybe I might induce some kind of massive bluff, I'd fake weakness this time, where in the previous hand I showed strength on all 3 streets, to play my hand more deceptively than straight forward the previous hand.

Hero X's
CO X's

Pot is 17bb going into river

river is 3c

No flushes, no straights, an obscure straight, 2 pair, and of course a set would be very unfortunate for me.

I decided I'm going to bet here, and if he raises, even though the vast vast vast majority of my BC's on the river are very unprofitable plays, this might be a rare circumstance that it might work out with a hand that's far from the nuts, I suspect he might be on tilt from the previous hand.

Hero leads river for 10.5bb
CO raises to 66bb

Again I suspect he's on tilt from the previous hand, so with TPTK I decide to call him down thin

Hero calls

Pot is 142bb after rake

Hero shows AKo

Villain shows K10o

Hero wins 142bb

My question is was this an appropriate time to slowplay the turn and induce a raise on the river if you suspect your opponent is on tilt from the previous hand? I'm losing massive amounts of $ (for 25nl that is) doing BC's on the river. Why was this BC profitable but it appears almost all my other BC's are not?

This hand appears to be the exception and not the rule.

When do the better poker players on this site employ BC's on the river when your hand isn't nutted?

I used to play on Bovada a few years ago and I noticed much the same thing as you pointed out in your first 3 paragraphs.

I started to just fold unless I had the nuts in those spots, and I'd write down the time and hand # on a sticky note. The hand number is like a 10 digit number that was on the top-left of my window. It's enough to just write down the last 4 digits of it on the note paper. You can just quick scan down the hand list when you do your session review to find the right hand. Having the time of the hand on your note helps a lot if you multi-table, since you'll need to scan multiple lists for that one number and knowing the time limits the amount of scanning to only a handful of numbers on each list.

You know about the fact that on Bovada when you review your HH's that all opponents' hole cards are shown, right? (You have to open the HH at least 24 hours after you LEFT the table.) If you're not using this to do your session reviews, then I 100% suggest you start making it a habit.

Always do a hand review for the "important" decisions you made during that session. Keep notes so you can find the specific hand you're looking for. Review your sessions from the day before yesterday every time, that way it's always been over 24 hours after you left that table, and all hole cards will be shown in the HH. Cheers!

So you don't have to worry that you're making bad folds. You can check after the fact. I think I made 1 bad fold out of the dozens I checked that way. Super profitable.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JimmyS1985

I decided I'm going to bet here, and if he raises, even though the vast vast vast majority of my BC's on the river are very unprofitable plays, this might be a rare circumstance that it might work out with a hand that's far from the nuts, I suspect he might be on tilt from the previous hand.

My question is was this an appropriate time to slowplay the turn and induce a raise on the river if you suspect your opponent is on tilt from the previous hand? I'm losing massive amounts of $ (for 25nl that is) doing BC's on the river. Why was this BC profitable but it appears almost all my other BC's are not?

This hand appears to be the exception and not the rule.

---

You trusted your read and went with it. Your read was informed by your observations and not only your gut. You were taking into account the board texture and the table dynamics.

That's generally good play.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JimmyS1985

When do the better poker players on this site employ BC's on the river when your hand isn't nutted?

---

It'd be a situation like this. My player pool read says fold, but my current read on this specific player says otherwise.

Play the specific player first. Only rely on the player pool read when more specific reads are not available.

I play on bodog as well, and I do what MMM states and I mark hands and check them.

The VASTTT majority of time on bodog, river raises are LEGIT. Even in this case he's not bluffing I don't think, he's just value towning himself but I don't think that happens often. Especially at lower stakes I can't imagine ppl bluffing that often.

Meh, I mean if there's some dynamic between you then you can bet call rivers, but it's not normally going to be a good idea against your average population (even when lol pot odds).

That said, villain's line is BS in this spot and seems like a call (and his line is bad when he has showdown value). You'd expect him to bet turn with strong hands and floats, so it seems clear he has some middle pp or weak Kx that may turn his hand into a bluff. He can play 777 like this, but that's just such a small part of his range.

I haven't played in forever, but is the turn line reasonable given villain is described as loose passive and a station?