More ring game pain...

Check out these beauts from the other night....

Hand 1:

#Game No : 1082351678
***** Hand History for Game 1082351678 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Wednesday, October 20, 21:58:11 EDT 2004
Table comedy of error (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: DocNoChance ( $28.65 )
Seat 5: nygator3 ( $59.9 )
Seat 6: XAAAX ( $24.4 )
Seat 7: zorback ( $25 )
Seat 10: BHAKEL ( $35.1 )
Seat 8: Aasimar ( $24.7 )
Seat 3: dutch66 ( $26.3 )
Seat 2: luckydogdoz ( $6.75 )
Seat 1: Gambaholics ( $27.35 )
Seat 9: NTLuffman138 ( $17.1 )
XAAAX posts small blind [$0.25].
zorback posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DocNoChance [ Kc Ad ]
>You have options at Mother of pearl Table!.
>You have options at Home of the brave Table!.
Aasimar calls [$0.5].
NTLuffman138 folds.
BHAKEL folds.
Gambaholics folds.
luckydogdoz folds.
dutch66 folds.
DocNoChance raises [$2].
nygator3 folds.
XAAAX folds.
>You have options at Mother of pearl Table!.
zorback calls [$1.5].
Aasimar folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 4c, Ks ]
>You have options at Mother of pearl Table!.
zorback bets [$3].
DocNoChance calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ As ]
zorback bets [$7].
>You have options at Mother of pearl Table!.
DocNoChance is all-In.
zorback is all-In.
** Dealing River ** [ 8s ]
zorback shows [ Jh, Qh ] a straight, ten to ace.
DocNoChance shows [ Kc, Ad ] two pairs, aces and kings.
DocNoChance wins $3.65 from side pot #1 with two pairs, aces and kings.
zorback wins $48.25 from the main pot with a straight, ten to ace.

Calling and not raising on the flop was getting way too cute with both a flush and broadway str8 on board. If I had raised the flop big, he goes away. I can only imagine his sheer glee when I push the turn.

Post-hand thoughts: Raise the flop!!!

Hand 2: Tilt!!!

#Game No : 1082273909
***** Hand History for Game 1082273909 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Wednesday, October 20, 21:39:15 EDT 2004
Table Home of the brave (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: bsteger ( $30.45 )
Seat 2: Peache_Fuz ( $25.18 )
Seat 3: smokstak7 ( $47.4 )
Seat 4: jnoblin ( $99.2 )
Seat 6: Lew64 ( $30.53 )
Seat 7: DocNoChance ( $29.5 )
Seat 9: bingoboby ( $33.22 )
Seat 10: JBCHAOS ( $80.8 )
Seat 5: Lewbs2000 ( $24.5 )
Seat 8: Gerdahitman ( $15 )
bingoboby posts small blind [$0.25].
JBCHAOS posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DocNoChance [ Ac Kd ]
bsteger folds.
Peache_Fuz calls [$0.5].
smokstak7 folds.
jnoblin calls [$0.5].
Lewbs2000 raises [$4].
Lew64 folds.
DocNoChance is all-In.
bingoboby folds.
JBCHAOS folds.
Peache_Fuz folds.
jnoblin folds.
jnoblin: guess my 2-2 is no good
Lewbs2000 is all-In.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9d, 8s, 9s ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6h ]
>You have options at Mother of pearl Table!.
** Dealing River ** [ Kc ]
Lewbs2000 shows [ Qs, Qc ] two pairs, queens and nines.
DocNoChance shows [ Ac, Kd ] two pairs, kings and nines.
DocNoChance wins $5 from side pot #1 with two pairs, kings and nines.
DocNoChance wins $50.75 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and nines.

Post-hand thoughts: Saved by the river. My session would have been even worse without this undisciplined play. At least I guessed right that he had scared queens or jacks, but even still I was stupid to think that the average PP schlub would be able to fold QQ/JJ pre-flop. I didn't like putting almost 20% of my stack in there with a drawing hand and not seeing all five cards....but all-in there isn't a +EV play IMO. Is a call here reasonable though? That big raise seems to scream pocket pair, so I'm behind post-flop 2/3 times. I think this is a pre-flop fold.

Hand 3:

#Game No : 1082258583
***** Hand History for Game 1082258583 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Wednesday, October 20, 21:35:28 EDT 2004
Table Mother of pearl (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: jereeder ( $26.1 )
Seat 4: XAAAX ( $24 )
Seat 5: Tsutsui ( $38.85 )
Seat 6: DrunknMunkyG ( $12.75 )
Seat 8: JoeLarryMoe ( $26.05 )
Seat 9: mrdopaco ( $40.45 )
Seat 7: DocNoChance ( $22.05 )
Seat 10: jbplotki ( $48.35 )
Seat 2: kwilson22000 ( $19.75 )
Seat 3: SAMERFLAVOR ( $24.5 )
SAMERFLAVOR posts small blind [$0.25].
XAAAX posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DocNoChance [ Kc Kd ]
Tsutsui folds.
DrunknMunkyG calls [$0.5].
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DocNoChance raises [$2].
JoeLarryMoe folds.
mrdopaco folds.
jbplotki calls [$2].
jereeder folds.
kwilson22000 folds.
SAMERFLAVOR folds.
XAAAX folds.
DrunknMunkyG calls [$1.5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, 7s, Jd ]
DrunknMunkyG is all-In.
DocNoChance calls [$10.75].
jbplotki raises [$21.5].
jereeder: uh oh
DocNoChance is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5h ]
jbplotki shows [ Jh, 7h ] two pairs, jacks and sevens.
DrunknMunkyG doesn't show [ 7c, Tc ] two pairs, tens and sevens.
DocNoChance doesn't show [ Kc, Kd ] a pair of kings.
jbplotki wins $1.45 from side pot #2 with two pairs, jacks and sevens.
jbplotki wins $17.70 from side pot #1 with two pairs, jacks and sevens.
jbplotki wins $37.05 from the main pot with two pairs, jacks and sevens.
Game #1082263338 starts.

Christ. J7s?!? I was hoping it was at least JTs. I knew I was beaten after the other guy pushes all-in, but it's pretty darn hard not to make a crying call with the pot being so large. QQ/AJ were both hands that I could beat, + semi-bluffing draws. Does anybody not make the crying call on the flop to the 2nd all-in?

Post-hand thoughts: Tough break, but I don't think I can find a fold there. I'm pot committed after calling the short stack's push. Crap.

Hand 4:

#Game No : 1082327389
***** Hand History for Game 1082327389 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Wednesday, October 20, 21:52:17 EDT 2004
Table Mother of pearl (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: jereeder ( $37.55 )
Seat 4: XAAAX ( $22.5 )
Seat 5: Tsutsui ( $61.5 )
Seat 8: JoeLarryMoe ( $28.65 )
Seat 9: mrdopaco ( $35.2 )
Seat 7: DocNoChance ( $28.25 )
Seat 10: jbplotki ( $67.2 )
Seat 2: kwilson22000 ( $19 )
Seat 3: SAMERFLAVOR ( $26 )
Seat 6: mcrobd3 ( $23.3 )
jbplotki posts small blind [$0.25].
jbplotki: lol
jereeder posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DocNoChance [ Ad Kc ]
kwilson22000 folds.
SAMERFLAVOR folds.
mcrobd3: yeah
XAAAX folds.
Tsutsui calls [$0.5].
mcrobd3 folds.
DocNoChance raises [$2].
JoeLarryMoe folds.
mrdopaco folds.
jbplotki calls [$1.75].
jereeder folds.
Tsutsui folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 6s, Ks ]
jbplotki checks.
DocNoChance bets [$3].
>You have options at Home of the brave Table!.
jbplotki raises [$6].
DocNoChance raises [$12].
jbplotki raises [$18].
DocNoChance calls [$9].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jd ]
jbplotki bets [$3].
DocNoChance is all-In.
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
jbplotki shows [ 6c, 6d ] three of a kind, sixes.
DocNoChance doesn't show [ Ad, Kc ] a pair of kings.
jbplotki wins $0.75 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, sixes.
jbplotki wins $54.65 from the main pot with three of a kind, sixes.
Game #1082332259 starts.

I'm not getting away from TPTK in a raised pot. If he has the set so be it.
He did. Damn.

Post hand thoughts: You can't play scared. KQ/semi-bluff is possible enough to play this hand for your whole stack post-flop. It would be different if an obvious 2 pair possibility were on board, but that's not the case. Does anybody find a post-flop fold here?

Hand 5:

#Game No : 1082452779
***** Hand History for Game 1082452779 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Wednesday, October 20, 22:22:06 EDT 2004
Table Mother of pearl (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: jereeder ( $37.2 )
Seat 2: kwilson22000 ( $14.2 )
Seat 5: Tsutsui ( $87.6 )
Seat 6: mcrobd3 ( $20.45 )
Seat 7: DocNoChance ( $24.75 )
Seat 8: JoeLarryMoe ( $38.45 )
Seat 9: mrdopaco ( $34.05 )
Seat 10: jbplotki ( $100.7 )
Seat 3: BoonyButt ( $25 )
kwilson22000 posts small blind [$0.25].
BoonyButt posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DocNoChance [ Kh Kc ]
Tsutsui calls [$0.5].
mcrobd3 folds.
DocNoChance raises [$2].
jbplotki: tsutsui?
JoeLarryMoe calls [$2].
mrdopaco folds.
kwilson22000 folds.
BoonyButt folds.
Tsutsui calls [$1.5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 8c, Ad ]
Tsutsui checks.
DocNoChance checks.
jbplotki: i think i should have called...great bet, just wondered what u had
JoeLarryMoe checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ]
Tsutsui bets [$10].
DocNoChance folds.
JoeLarryMoe folds.
Tsutsui does not show cards.
Tsutsui wins $16.45
i konw u had me if the hand was blown dead there, but i had a 14 outer
>You have options at Insatiable Appetite Table!.
kwilson22000 has left the table.
Game #1082456241 starts.

Oh, how my so-on-tilt-by-this-point ass wanted to believe that my KK was good after it's check all around post-flop. I couldn't find a call/raise here though. Other than QQ, wtf could he have that I beat? He'd be a fool to bluff into that board. He made a set of jacks on the turn, or he was slowplaying aces and decided to stop screwing around with the broadway str8 became a threat.

Post-hand thoughts: I like my fold. I fought off a tilty loose call.


Comments welcome.

Well, on the first hand you said it yourself, you should have raised pre flop, in other words you beat yourself in that hand.With TPTK I usually want to be very aggreaive because if I dont and i loose to a set or a str8 I usually go into tilt and loose tons of cash.

IMO on the secon hand you didn't make a mistake going all-in with that hand, you are only a slight underdog to QQ and in this case the risk is worth the reward. Not going all in but just calling would have meant a lot of cash lost because after the flop you would have probably have folded.

Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Kh 743113 43.40 960592 56.10 8599 0.50 0.436
Qd Qh 960592 56.10 743113 43.40 8599 0.50 0.564

It's really hard to give you some advise on the third hand if I don't have some feedback on the player who went all-in. If you happend to know that he is really tight I would have foflded my Kings, I understand that folding pocket kings is hard but sometimes you have to do it when you know youre beat

I totally agree with you on the fourth hand, theres no way your getting away from TPTK with that board, but again if you happend to know that the player who pushed all in is really tight it might be better to fold in this situation, it really depends in the player.

I would have actually played KK. After that all around check after the flop I don't think any of the m had the Ace, actually I think they had a flush draw and wanted to see the turn for free to see if they got it, when he did't he made a semi-bluff to get people to fold. The other explanation is that he hit pair with the jack which would give him the second best hand to your kings, you should have played that hand.


-anto

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Originally Posted by elanto

I would have actually played KK. After that all around check after the flop I don't think any of the m had the Ace, actually I think they had a flush draw and wanted to see the turn for free to see if they got it, when he did't he made a semi-bluff to get people to fold. The other explanation is that he hit pair with the jack which would give him the second best hand to your kings, you should have played that hand.

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Why semi-bluff into two people with both a flush draw and a broadway str8 draw out there? Very risky. This guy was a tight big stack. He didn't call my preflop raise with KJ. If that J helped him he made two pair (AJ) or a set.

Sounds like you had a tougher night than me. Last night I finished down on 3 of the 4 ring games I was playing.

When you were dealt KK, if it were me I would've raised a bit more, like to $7 or $10 or something, but maybe thats just my personal taste because KK is a hand that always troubles me, if I raise little, you always get one person calling the small amount with AXs and hitting the ace.

But, to conclude, you had one crappy night! Hope you get better luck next time.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by dwarfman1990

Sounds like you had a tougher night than me. Last night I finished down on 3 of the 4 ring games I was playing.

When you were dealt KK, if it were me I would've raised a bit more, like to $7 or $10 or something, but maybe thats just my personal taste because KK is a hand that always troubles me, if I raise little, you always get one person calling the small amount with AXs and hitting the ace.

But, to conclude, you had one crappy night! Hope you get better luck next time.

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I want them to call with crap like Axs when I have KK. They only hit that ace 1/6 of the time post-flop, and I'm not paying them off when they do.

I feel your pain. I had a guy yesterday call 50 cents for the flop last night with 27o and flopped a 2 and bet it a couple bucks. I had made 2 pair - aces and 9s. He hits another 2 on 4th and checks and then just goes all in on 5th st and doubles up off me. It would have been funny if I wasnt in the hand.

I just noticed now that in Hand 3 BOTH of those fools called with suited junk and BOTH made 2 pair on the flop. I actually had the worst hand there :lol:

How bad do the poker gods hate you if they let two idiots flop rag 2 pair against you vs. your monster?