100 Questions

Ive been wondering a few things about FTR and poker in general so I figured id just knock it all out in 1 post. Here goes....

1. Who is the guy that created the FTR website? Is it Xianti? Praise is due for whoever it is, reading the "proof is in the profit" statements convinced me to switch from limit to NL and I dont see myself ever looking back!

2. If everyone stays in till the river in 7-card stud, how the heck do they deal it? There just aint enough damn cards in the deck to give everyone their final card.

3. Is anyone in this forum a professional poker player? By that I mean plays poker for a living? Would be interesting to hear stories about it and whether or not they make most of their living from online or brick and mortar.

4. Do professional poker players have shorter life expectancies than your average joe? I mean c'mon, all those bad beats when your salary is on the line cant be good for your health.

5. If a deck of cards gets shuffled by a deaf man in the woods and nobody else is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

Haha...ok ill stop now.

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Originally Posted by scottyses

1. Who is the guy that created the FTR website? Is it Xianti? Praise is due for whoever it is, reading the "proof is in the profit" statements convinced me to switch from limit to NL and I dont see myself ever looking back!

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The essays on the front page and the "proof is in the profit" are from a different administrator, ttanaka. He posts on here also, but Xianti is the one in charge of the forum.

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2. If everyone stays in till the river in 7-card stud, how the heck do they deal it? There just aint enough damn cards in the deck to give everyone their final card.

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it is so rare that everyone does stay in till the river card in 7CS. But if that does happen, the river is delt in the middle, as a community card.

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3. Is anyone in this forum a professional poker player? By that I mean plays poker for a living? Would be interesting to hear stories about it and whether or not they make most of their living from online or brick and mortar.

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Not really. There are a few students in here that have poker as their only real income. But most people in here use poker as a 2nd income.

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4. Do professional poker players have shorter life expectancies than your average joe? I mean c'mon, all those bad beats when your salary is on the line cant be good for your health.

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If a pro suffers that many bad beats he surely will die from a heart attack. If he doesn't starve to death first.

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5. If a deck of cards gets shuffled by a deaf man in the woods and nobody else is around to hear it, does it make a sound.

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Is it an African Swallow or a European Swallow?

Not really any full time pros. There are some who have given it a shot and others who are planning to make the jump soon. I'm not a professional player but it is my main source of income. Thats only because I'm a college student and my part time job only pays $8/hr. I log more hours online then I do at my job. There are plenty of students on here like me.

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Originally Posted by scottyses

1. Who is the guy that created the FTR website?

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FTR is the brainchild of Tyson (ttanaka), the author of nearly all of the articles on the home page. Xianti organizes and administers the forums.

Maxxscam is going pro next month. He can probably make it since he seems to be making between 5-7k a month. He works at a poker club now too so I dont know if he is giving that up or still working it part time a little or what. He is the only one I know on here who has actually set a date to become pro though. Rippy and Tyson are thinking about it. I believe strangebird was a gambling pro back in the day I remember reading about his story right after he joined like 8 months ago or something.

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Originally Posted by scottyses

Ive been wondering a few things about FTR and poker in general so I figured id just knock it all out in 1 post. Here goes....

1. Who is the guy that created the FTR website? Is it Xianti? Praise is due for whoever it is, reading the "proof is in the profit" statements convinced me to switch from limit to NL and I dont see myself ever looking back!

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no idea

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2. If everyone stays in till the river in 7-card stud, how the heck do they deal it? There just aint enough damn cards in the deck to give everyone their final card.

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communal card

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3. Is anyone in this forum a professional poker player? By that I mean plays poker for a living? Would be interesting to hear stories about it and whether or not they make most of their living from online or brick and mortar.

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I dont play it professionally yet as too young (in university). Though I do make a crapload of money plaing poker. Would like to in the future

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4. Do professional poker players have shorter life expectancies than your average joe? I mean c'mon, all those bad beats when your salary is on the line cant be good for your health.

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In supersystem Brunson tells a story about how in a game of draw lowball
some guy got the best possible hand (2-3-4-5-7) and had a heart attack when he won the pot.

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5. If a deck of cards gets shuffled by a deaf man in the woods and nobody else is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

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no idea

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Originally Posted by scottyses

5. If a deck of cards gets shuffled by a deaf man in the woods and nobody else is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

Haha...ok ill stop now.

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of course it does, just b/c nobody is there to listen to it, it doesnt mean it doesnt make a noise :D


-anto

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5. If a deck of cards gets shuffled by a deaf man in the woods and nobody else is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

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what's your definition of "sound"?

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1. Who is the guy that created the FTR website? Is it Xianti? Praise is due for whoever it is, reading the "proof is in the profit" statements convinced me to switch from limit to NL and I dont see myself ever looking back!

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The site was Tyson's idea but he wanted to go in 50-50 with me because I had experience running other websites. Tyson and I made the site after he learned to play well online consistently. Xianti saw that our first forum (called tforum I think) wasn't ideal. He recommended phpbb for the forum and we brought him on board.

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5. If a deck of cards gets shuffled by a deaf man in the woods and nobody else is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

Haha...ok ill stop now.

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of course it does, just b/c nobody is there to listen to it, it doesnt mean it doesnt make a noise :D


-anto

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It is a typical metaphysical argument Elanto. Since sound is essentially human perception - waves moving your ear drum which is converted to electrical impulses decoded by your brain. How can you prove the sound occurred if you take human presence (perception) out of the equation. If someone is not there to experience the sound then there is no way to prove that it exists....it is a paradox.....for more philosophy fun...read Aristotle, the original metaphysical thinker.

I've got a question.

Who cares?

When I drop a big ass bomb on philosphers and remove their "perceptions," everyone will cheer. :twisted:

(Brother tried to major in philosophy. You quickly realize how pointless it is when you want to make it your future.)

-'rilla

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I've got a question.

Who cares?

When I drop a big ass bomb on philosphers and remove their "perceptions," everyone will cheer. :twisted:

(Brother tried to major in philosophy. You quickly realize how pointless it is when you want to make it your future.)

-'rilla

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:lol: :lol: :lol: OMG rilla you should do stand up


Dave I got asked that same question in religion class, the teacher related the whole thing with GOD or something, she said that just b/c no one can c him it doesnt mean he doesnt exist..somethig like that


-anto

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Originally Posted by DavSimon

It is a typical metaphysical argument Elanto. Since sound is essentially human perception - waves moving your ear drum which is converted to electrical impulses decoded by your brain. How can you prove the sound occurred....it is a paradox.....

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not much of a paradox. hypermegachi is right on; define sound with enough specificity and you get a clearcut answer.

e.g. if sound is compression waves propagating at a regular frequency, the answer is yes. Sound is produced and you can prove this with any instrument capable of detecting those waves.

if sound is the human experience of those waves striking an eardrum and being processed, then the answer is no. You need ears and brains as well as compression waves.

Always nice, pace gorilla, to find other philosophers hanging about...

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Sound is produced and you can prove this with any instrument capable of detecting those waves.

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In this example there is no difference in your ears/brain and a measuring instrument. If an instrument captures the sound waves you stiil need a human to look at, acknowledge and perceive the results/data. If you do not interact with the sound capturing machine there is still no way to prove the sound occured...it may or may not exist on the the machine, but until you look at the data or listen to the recording there is no way to prove it.
The paradox lies in the fact that we all "know" that a sound occurrs even if there is no one around to experience it, but without inserting human perception there is no way to prove it.

But why is this a paradox? How does this affect the way we live our lives?

Interesting? Yes. Pointless? Yup.

Assumptions are made and those assumptions have never back-fired on us, so why does this line of reasoning matter?

-'rilla

ukhhhhnnnngggg... wow big words and complicated stuff...

you guys are gonna make me lose sleep over this :? :!: lol

-Chris

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Originally Posted by scottyses

1. Who is the guy that created the FTR website?

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FTR is the brainchild of Tyson (ttanaka), the author of nearly all of the articles on the home page. Xianti organizes and administers the forums.

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Does he?

ouch, dont diss the admins man your supposed to suck up to them :wink:

-Chris

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Originally Posted by DavSimon

we all "know" that a sound occurrs even if there is no one around to experience it, but without inserting human perception there is no way to prove it.

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True. Without collecting any data you can't prove much. But that's kind of trivial.

I've never liked this "paradox". If X occurs, but leaves no sign in the universe that it occurred, then did it occur?

If seems to have the same form as: If 2 is 2, but 2 is 3, then is 2 really 2?

Gorilla's right, in some sense. Not much value in the process.

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But why is this a paradox? How does this affect the way we live our lives?

Interesting? Yes. Pointless? Yup.

Assumptions are made and those assumptions have never back-fired on us, so why does this line of reasoning matter?

-'rilla

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Definition: Paradox - a seemingly self contradictory statement or circumstance...exhibiting inexplicable or contradictory aspects.

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Originally Posted by LeFou

Gorilla's right, in some sense. Not much value in the process

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Sheesh guys...it does not affect the way we live our lives. Much of what we discuss on a daily basis is pointless and mundane, but we do it for a diversion or to have fun.....and everybody is getting all bummed out about the pointlessness of the discussion :(
Oh well no more philosophy today.....

I'm not bummed. I like this stuff. I just never thought of this as a very thought provoking paradox.

Also the one where you can't go from A to B because first you have to go halfway, then half the remaining distance, then halfway again, etc.

It's artificial; that's not how movement works. Pick a spot twice as far away as B and go there. You'll get to B in no time lol.

dav, how do you solve this...

what came first the chicken or the egg?


-anto

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Originally Posted by elanto

dav, how do you solve this...

what came first the chicken or the egg?


-anto

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Egg.

Easy, see?

i saw a funny cartoon joke about that question anto... it showed a chicken and an egg in bed, and the chicken was smoking a cigarette and said "well, now we know who came first!" :lol: :oops:

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Originally Posted by Sykedupp

i saw a funny cartoon joke about that question anto... it showed a chicken and an egg in bed, and the chicken was smoking a cigarette and said "well, now we know who came first!" :lol: :oops:

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Now THAT is funny!

hahaha nice joke man

-anto

HAHAHAHAHA!

Oh my god, I have never laughed harder in my LIFE, elanto!

EDIT: Elanto edited his from pure hilarity to ass saving complients. Maybe you can infer what he originally said..

-'rilla

:?: i think ill let rilla explain that... g00d LucK rilla ;)

geeze one step ahead of me... as usual :cry:

-Chris

Not work safe. Also note it's not porn or tubgirl.

Here is the answer you are looking for, elanto.

-'rilla

Actually my original statement was that a deaf man shuffled the cards. So as long as he had a sound collecting instrument he could read the measurements and determine that the cards DID make a sound. But if he was deaf AND blind, there would still be no sound? Haha....something seems off about that whole argument. But alas, that is to be expected from a paradoxical situation.

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Actually my original statement was that a deaf man shuffled the cards. So as long as he had a sound collecting instrument he could read the measurements and determine that the cards DID make a sound. But if he was deaf AND blind, there would still be no sound? Haha....something seems off about that whole argument. But alas, that is to be expected from a paradoxical situation.

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Just because he is deaf (and blind) doesnt mean there is no sound. There are still sound waves being emitted from him shuffling his KEM cards but his ears/brain aint registering the information. :)

- trying to remember physics lesson -

steel wheels

Yes but the whole argument is how you define sound. Is it really sound until the cochlea in our inner ear interperets these vibrations as sound. Some could argue that without that its just a wave propagating through the air. See earlier posts.

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Originally Posted by LeFou

Also the one where you can't go from A to B because first you have to go halfway, then half the remaining distance, then halfway again, etc.

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This reminds me of a "joke" that my physics teacher told us...
How do you tell the difference between a physicicst and a mathematician?
Give them the following question and see how they react. "You are standing in a room with a beautiful women standing naked not to far away. You can only get to her by walking to her and each step you take must be no more than half the size of the previous one and the first step can be no further than half the distance."

The mathmatician will look very sad and moan that he can't get to her. The physician will look very happy and say that he can get close enough that it does not matter.

hmm. If your religious you can say that God or an angel hears the sound.
If your a new ager you can use zen to answer the problem, they will answer your question with another question stating that the cards were a parchment in ancient egypt.
A poker player will demand to know what type of game is being played by the blind guy.

but here is the real question you should be asking...
how do YOU know that there is a blind deaf man shuffling a pack of cards in the woods unless your there? :lol:

steel wheels

Haha...good point!

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"You are standing in a room with a beautiful women standing naked not to far away. You can only get to her by walking to her and each step you take must be no more than half the size of the previous one and the first step can be no further than half the distance."
The mathmatician will look very sad and moan that he can't get to her. The physician will look very happy and say that he can get close enough that it does not matter.

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The philosopher will sit there for a moment watching these events play out, then figure out an "out of the box solution" ....I don't have to get to her. Philosopher; "Excuse me beautiful naked lady....will you please come over here and sit on my lap while the mathmetician is measuring his paces and the physician is busy unzipping his pants."
As the philosopher carries the beautiful naked lady out the door he looks over his shoulder and says to the other two; "silly rules only have power over us if we agree to abide by them"

And what would the engineer do?

If she's attractive in the least, he'll probably have busted his load after pace 1.

-'rilla

Heyyy im an engineer! Oh wait thats fairly accurate.....

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4. Do professional poker players have shorter life expectancies than your average joe? I mean c'mon, all those bad beats when your salary is on the line cant be good for your health.

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Phil Gordon said it best (parapharsing here)"You think being a poker professional is an easy way of life? Imagine a job in which after a real tough week, you have to pay your boss."