Hand analysis...

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02-06-2005, 04:01 AM
Sed

Hand analysis...

PFRer was reasonably tight and definitely not a fish but other than that no real read.
I called the preflop raise after my limp since I was getting 5:1 on my money.
Led out on the flop thinking if the raiser had AK I could push him off.

PokerStars Game #1176621886: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2005/02/06 - 03:27:24 (ET)
Table 'Mnesthus' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 2: ansel5 ($13.25 in chips)
Seat 3: sed76 ($8.30 in chips)
Seat 4: DieselShroom ($13.80 in chips)
Seat 5: wolffee ($7.45 in chips)
Seat 6: Island Bird ($10.25 in chips)
Seat 7: crawdad369 ($7.85 in chips)
Seat 9: casinocasino ($4.80 in chips)
casinocasino: posts small blind $0.05
ansel5: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sed76 [Jd Ts]
sed76: calls $0.10
DieselShroom: raises $0.40 to $0.50
wolffee: calls $0.50
Island Bird: folds
crawdad369: calls $0.50
casinocasino: folds
ansel5: calls $0.40
sed76: calls $0.40
*** FLOP *** [5d Js 5c]
ansel5: checks
sed76: bets $2
ppppoker has returned
DieselShroom: raises $10.70 to $12.70
wolffee: folds
crawdad369: folds
ansel5: folds
slopface has returned
sed76: ....

Comments???
02-06-2005, 04:59 AM
magicmntn

lay it down

preflop raise is AJ at a minimum. He could also have QQ,KK,or AA. You are not invested enough in the pot to care. Lay it down and wait for a better spot
02-06-2005, 12:23 PM
Waggho

Yeah, fold. A tight player preflop raises 5 bb's, then reraises a pot sized bet huge on the flop? Get out of there!
02-06-2005, 12:34 PM

If you're not folding preflop (which in my opinion you should have, JTo is overrated) you are definitely folding that flop.

AA, KK, QQ, AJ, KJ, QJ....the possibilities are endless.
02-06-2005, 12:54 PM
ngericl

I don't know if I would have called the pre-flop raise. Facing such a raise, then having to play the rest of the hand out of position would be tough, IMO.
02-06-2005, 12:56 PM
a500lbgorilla

Is the villian capable of this bet without a pair?

-'rilla
02-06-2005, 01:16 PM
Sed

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Is the villian capable of this bet without a pair?

-'rilla

not that I had seen... which is why the re-raise smelled pretty fishy to me.

Reguarding the call preflop. you guys are right, my position sucked which I stupidly forgot to consider. I saw 3 calls before me, thought most of the As and Ks were out of play and if I hit the flop I might be ahead it the villan had AK or such...

- sed
02-06-2005, 02:35 PM
Sed

OK, accept that I called the pre-flop raise... I don't think it was that bad of a call, I was getting 5:1 on my call and put the guy on high broadways where hitting a straight or two pr would be payed off big.

Was the lead out 80% pot sized bet a bad idea? I figured that i could try to take down the pot right then if the PFR was still drawing with overs.

- sed
02-06-2005, 03:34 PM
Yeldud

Re: Hand analysis...

Quote:

Originally Posted by sed

PFRer was reasonably tight and definitely not a fish but other than that no real read.

Fold
02-06-2005, 03:38 PM
johnnyawe

Thats a tough spot.. Really the only hands he could have that beat you are, AA, KK, and QQ, and QJ-AJ. I dunno, I think you have to lay it down.

Man, I don't know though. I have seen people do crazy things when the pot gets big. If you had AJ, i would say call. But with TJ I think you have to fold.
02-06-2005, 06:05 PM
Sed

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyawe

Thats a tough spot.. Really the only hands he could have that beat you are, AA, KK, and QQ, and QJ-AJ.

I pretty much dissallowed for QJ-AJ with a 5x raise since he was playing pretty tight.... I had him on AK or a high pocket pair. I threw the bet out to see if he had AK. The massive re-raise said that he wanted to end it now which led me to a high pocket pair but not rockets.

I folded after thinking this through taking up most of my time. He showed his Kings.

- sed
02-06-2005, 08:14 PM
johnnyawe

Sweet.. Nice laydown.
02-07-2005, 01:48 AM
Waggho

Quote:

Originally Posted by sed

OK, accept that I called the pre-flop raise... I don't think it was that bad of a call, I was getting 5:1 on my call and put the guy on high broadways where hitting a straight or two pr would be payed off big.

Was the lead out 80% pot sized bet a bad idea? I figured that i could try to take down the pot right then if the PFR was still drawing with overs.

- sed

Say there is a 80 % chance for each of them to fold. That means ~40 % that everybody will fold, so that´s about the percentage you need. Pretty high.