Play me g00t!

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03-21-2005, 07:16 PM
a500lbgorilla

Play me g00t!

BB is solid. I've seen him make a big passive mistake, though.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

MP3 ($267.7)
CO ($209.65)
Hero ($390.6)
SB ($265.85)
BB ($203.35)
UTG ($198.5)
UTG+1 ($181)
UTG+2 ($227.8)
MP1 ($127.5)
MP2 ($327.9)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A:diamond:, K:heart:. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, 1 fold, MP1 calls $2, 1 fold, MP3 calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $14, 1 fold, BB calls $12, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 folds.

Flop: ($24.00) A:club:, 4:diamond:, 2:club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $40, BB calls $40.

Turn: ($104.00) 2:diamond: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero...

What do you put him on? How do you play it? Comments so far?

-'rilla
03-21-2005, 07:30 PM
Sed

What do you mean by "big passive mistake"?

- sed
03-21-2005, 07:46 PM
a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by sed

What do you mean by "big passive mistake"?

- sed

Was check-raised on a flop T98 and called down with KK.

A big, passive mistake.

-'rilla
03-21-2005, 07:53 PM
Sed

Well then... keep betting pot-sized and hope he is calling you down with JJ.

- sed
03-21-2005, 07:56 PM
a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by sed

Well then... keep betting pot-sized and hope he is calling you down with JJ.

- sed

I like betting, but potsided is too much. I also think you can get cute on this hand and maybe get him AI on the river.

With the KK hand, he still had an overpair. With JJ, it'll be harder to default him to call down.

He has also been a solid player other than that one hand.

-'rilla
03-21-2005, 08:13 PM
Sed

A bet of 50-60$ and you probably get him committed on the river.... or you could check/call then push the river for fun...

- sed
03-21-2005, 08:16 PM
Aceofone

Assuming he's solid, bet the same as flop. 40$. He will probably interpret this as weakness and call, he might even come out swinging on the river thinking that your on a bluff.
03-21-2005, 08:26 PM
dsaxton

I'm guessing he has A-J or A-Q. I can't think of any other hands which would call the raise preflop and then continue calling on the flop. Maybe he has Q-Q or J-J, but he'd have to be a fairly poor player for this to be the case.

I would continue betting on the turn and river, betting approximately half the pot on the turn, and perhaps a quarter to a third of the pot on the river, calling any raises.
03-21-2005, 08:40 PM
a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aceofone

Assuming he's solid, bet the same as flop. 40$. He will probably interpret this as weakness and call, he might even come out swinging on the river thinking that your on a bluff.

Agreed.

-'rilla
03-21-2005, 08:40 PM
a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by sed

A bet of 50-60$ and you probably get him committed on the river.... or you could check/call then push the river for fun...

- sed

My check closes action on the turn.

-'rilla
03-21-2005, 08:44 PM
a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsaxton

I'm guessing he has A-J or A-Q. I can't think of any other hands which would call the raise preflop and then continue calling on the flop. Maybe he has Q-Q or J-J, but he'd have to be a fairly poor player for this to be the case.

I would continue betting on the turn and river, betting approximately half the pot on the turn, and perhaps a quarter to a third of the pot on the river, calling any raises.

I agree with AJ.

I like to bet again, something that will really tell him to just "call me and my friend on the river."

I also think that checking will represent KK and I could probably get him to lay down a bet on the river but it would be difficult to get his whole stack in there.

I decided to value bet this hand.

I bet 25 on the turn and 55 on the river.

He called both with AQ.

-'rilla
03-21-2005, 08:48 PM
mcpeepants

Why did you over bet the flop?

I'm trying to think what hands he could possibly have...

Why would he not fold KK, QQ, JJ (or reraise, if he thought you were bluffing)?
Why would he not bet out AQ, AK, AJ? But then he would call an over-pot sized bet?
Why would he wall with a drawing hand to clubs?
The only hands that seem to make logical sense to me here is AA, 44, and 22. AA seems extremely unlikely, but calling 44 with such a steep preflop raise is unlikely also. But perhaps he knew if he hit he would destack you?
03-21-2005, 08:56 PM
a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcpeepants

Why did you over bet the flop?

I'm trying to think what hands he could possibly have...

Why would he not fold KK, QQ, JJ?

My play looks like AA or KK. KK is likely, he may call to try and take the pot away from me.

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Why would he not bet out AQ, AK, AJ? But then he would call an over-pot sized bet?

People always, and incorrectly, check to the raiser.

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Why would he call with a drawing hand to clubs?

He wouldn't. Just too difficult to put him on clubs here.

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The only hands that seem to make logical sense to me here is AA, 44, and 22. AA seems extremely unlikely, but calling 44 with such a steep preflop raise is unlikely also. But perhaps he knew if he hit he would destack you?

I can put him on any pocket pair and Ace Face. Obviously, 44 and 22 are calling the flop bet and checking the turn. But I think he'll too frequently just drop a pocket pair that low preflop.

Also, overbetting always gets wierd calls. And wierd calls are fun.

-'rilla
03-21-2005, 09:01 PM
dsaxton

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I also think that checking will represent KK and I could probably get him to lay down a bet on the river but it would be difficult to get his whole stack in there.

-'rilla

I think the problem with checking the river is that even if it may represent a high pair below aces, there will be no value in betting for him, since he expects you to fold any hand which he can beat, so he will probably just check as well. It seems better just to charge him something for a showdown as you did.
03-21-2005, 09:14 PM
a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsaxton

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I also think that checking will represent KK and I could probably get him to lay down a bet on the river but it would be difficult to get his whole stack in there.

-'rilla

I think the problem with checking the river is that even if it may represent a high pair below aces, there will be no value in betting for him, since he expects you to fold any hand which he can beat, so he will probably just check as well. It seems better just to charge him something for a showdown as you did.

Not if he has QQ or JJ also the chance I make a real thin/bad call with KK when he does have the ace.

-'rilla
03-21-2005, 09:49 PM
JeffreyGB

::not reading past the first post::

I'd say either an AQish hand or KQs (clubs). Perhaps a mid-range pocket pair.

I'd raise - maybe 1/2 the pot or so, to get money in there without necessarily scaring him off (and while making bad odds for his possible flush draw).

- Jeffrey

Edit: slow and steady wins the race, right? Guess I was later in entering this post than I thought. Nice play, 'rilla.