my 3rd set getting bustet today, advice ?

Hand #5014117-22 at SnG-0016h (No Limit Hold'em Sit and Go)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 21/Mar/05 21:48:20

w4waldo is at seat 0 with 1435.
twells is at seat 1 with 1150.
gamegran is at seat 2 with 1570.
karlheinz is at seat 3 with 2130.
esterann is at seat 5 with 1940.
Kiriath is at seat 6 with 1785.
MISSPRIVATE is at seat 7 with 1590.
4Point9Baby is at seat 8 with 1900.
Fishinhimer is at seat 9 with 1500.
The button is at seat 1.

gamegran posts the small blind of 15.
karlheinz posts the big blind of 30.

w4waldo: -- --
twells: -- --
gamegran: -- --
karlheinz: -- --
esterann: -- --
Kiriath: Jh Js
MISSPRIVATE: -- --
4Point9Baby: -- --
Fishinhimer: -- --

Pre-flop:

esterann folds. Kiriath raises to 60. MISSPRIVATE
folds. 4Point9Baby calls. Fishinhimer folds.
w4waldo folds. twells folds. gamegran re-raises to
90. karlheinz folds. Kiriath re-raises to 120.
4Point9Baby calls. gamegran calls.

Flop (board: 8c Jc 9s):

gamegran bets 120. Kiriath calls. 4Point9Baby
folds.

Turn (board: 8c Jc 9s Ad):

gamegran bets 630. Kiriath calls.

River (board: 8c Jc 9s Ad 6d):

gamegran goes all-in for 700. Kiriath calls.

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

gamegran shows Ac As.
Kiriath shows Jh Js.




Showdown:

gamegran has Ac As Jc 9s Ad: three aces.
Kiriath has Jh Js Jc 9s Ad: three jacks.


Hand #5014117-22 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
gamegran wins 3290 with three aces.
----------------------------------------------------------------


Judging from hes weak preflop raises I put him on ak/aq, maybe medium pocket pair.

Why do ppl play aces like this in a sng ??

and a few hands later, same guy same table.


Hand #5014117-34 at SnG-0016h (No Limit Hold'em Sit and Go)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 21/Mar/05 21:58:13

w4waldo is at seat 0 with 1410.
gamegran is at seat 2 with 3050.
karlheinz is at seat 3 with 3085.
esterann is at seat 5 with 2050.
Kiriath is at seat 6 with 380.
MISSPRIVATE is at seat 7 with 1550.
4Point9Baby is at seat 8 with 3475.
The button is at seat 7.

4Point9Baby posts the small blind of 20.
w4waldo posts the big blind of 40.

w4waldo: -- --
gamegran: -- --
karlheinz: -- --
esterann: -- --
Kiriath: Kd Jc
MISSPRIVATE: -- --
4Point9Baby: -- --

Pre-flop:

gamegran raises to 140. karlheinz folds. esterann
folds. Kiriath calls. MISSPRIVATE folds.
4Point9Baby folds. w4waldo calls.

Flop (board: Ks 4h 8s):

w4waldo checks. gamegran bets 440. Kiriath goes
all-in for 240. w4waldo folds. gamegran is returned
200 (uncalled).

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

gamegran shows Ac Ah.
Kiriath shows Kd Jc.


Turn (board: Ks 4h 8s 2h):

(no action in this round)


River (board: Ks 4h 8s 2h 6c):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

gamegran has Ac Ah Ks 8s 6c: a pair of aces.
Kiriath has Kd Jc Ks 8s 6c: a pair of kings.


Hand #5014117-34 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
gamegran wins 920 with a pair of aces.
----------------------------------------------------------------

now one hand I DIDNT put him on here were AA. Guess I just suck.

I'd put him in the first hand on either AA or KK. Why re-re-raise with JJ? Doesn't seem like a good idea to me. If you are doing it though, why not make the raise something meaningful? At that point an extra 30 is chump change and has very little value.

Given the pf action and the huge difference in his play when the A came, I would actually think of laying this down here. I probably wouldn't, but I would think about it. Would also have reraised big on the flop though, meaning that I'd be pot committed before the A came, meaning that ultimately, I'd lose more here than you.

Second hand would likely play out exactly the same with many decent players. No issues, save perhaps the preflop call and that is easily justifiable given your stack and the way a lot of UB SnG players play at the lower levels.

the small reraises with the jacks wasnt really for putting more money in the pot, as it was to give the other players more chances for betting. Normally with 3 ppl in preflop the guy with the aces keeps raising.

Aint this how it usually works ?

It can be...not necessarily though. Assuming he's playing "right" then sure - he wants to end up heads up. But assuming that your opponents will always play right ends up making you play wrong. The thing about reraising bigger is it gives you more information. Any hand that was calling the original raise was calling both reraises as well, so you learned nothing really...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kiriath

Showdown:

gamegran has Ac As Jc 9s Ad: three aces.
Kiriath has Jh Js Jc 9s Ad: three jacks.


Hand #5014117-22 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
gamegran wins 3290 with three aces.
----------------------------------------------------------------


Judging from hes weak preflop raises I put him on ak/aq, maybe medium pocket pair.

Why do ppl play aces like this in a sng ??

---

Having him on AK/AQ isn't unreasonable here. I don't know what you could have done, you looked stuck to me: if you raise harder, as Jeffrey suggests (and is probably right), you may have well forced him all in right there on the flop, if that is what he was looking for. Would you have called his all-in on the flop if your bet had been large enough to make that his decision? If so, you would have called and then got the bad news on the turn anyway, given that you'd put him on TPTK. Looks like lose/lose for you here.

i wouldnt re-reraise with JJ either. and if you flop a set especially on a scary board like that, re-raise big on the flop, his bet is 120 - put out 400 or something, if by some weird chance he's got a str8 he'll likely push.

seems many people lose sets because they dont bet hard when they should. you had him.

That little rat bastard got his lucky turn card. If you can find a way to repeat your set vs his aces a million times then you will owe me about $15 million dollars - but thats ok because you should have about $50 million left to spend on airplanes, islands and aids infested prositutes.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by bspahn

i wouldnt re-reraise with JJ either. and if you flop a set especially on a scary board like that, re-raise big on the flop, his bet is 120 - put out 400 or something, if by some weird chance he's got a str8 he'll likely push.

seems many people lose sets because they dont bet hard when they should. you had him.

---

the thing is, I was pretty sure we were gonna end all in anywa, and there were NO way i was gonna fold this hand. So I was gonna let him bet into it till the river then push.

But as some of u said, a bigger preflop raise might have reveiled hes aces by an all in wich would have made me fold. A big reraise on the flop though would just have made him go all in. Wich I of course woulda called.

One of those hands u just cant let go, especially in a SNG.

i don't think you played it exactly right, but either way you're doubling him up here.

Flop (board: 8c Jc 9s):

gamegran bets 120. Kiriath calls. 4Point9Baby
folds.

Here's what I don't get, and maybe I'm thinking something horribly wrong here...

...but you've just flopped high set. I might be worried if someone was on suited clubs, or AT, but I'd be making him pay A LOT MORE than 120 chips to be seeing a turn card.

You slowplayed a set and wondered how it go busted?

I'd get it all in on the turn and not worry about it.

-'rilla