Call this all in?

Well i guess i should have bet the flop a bit harder, but i really wasn't expecting this, what do you do?


***** Hand History for Game 1972213524 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Friday, April 29, 15:32:35 EDT 2005
Table Table 36629 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: cptweiner ( $25.65 )
Seat 4: Incnavig ( $5.4 )
Seat 5: MtGreenwood ( $25 )
Seat 6: legendash9 ( $32.6 )
Seat 8: donkofpuncho ( $23.4 )
Seat 9: dirk_dollars ( $26.95 )
Seat 10: Degeneerate8 ( $35.35 )
Seat 1: donadoni2 ( $23 )
Seat 7: craven2 ( $24.01 )
craven2 posts small blind [$0.1].
dirk_dollars posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to legendash9 [ :Jc: :Kd: ]
Degeneerate8 folds.
donadoni2 calls [$0.25].
cptweiner folds.
Incnavig folds.
MtGreenwood folds.
legendash9 calls [$0.25].
craven2 calls [$0.15].
dirk_dollars checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ :Jh:, :Ks:, :9h: ]
craven2 checks.
dirk_dollars checks.
donadoni2 checks.
legendash9 bets [$1].
craven2 calls [$1].
dirk_dollars folds.
donkofpuncho has left the table.
donadoni2 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ :4c: ]
craven2 checks.
>You have options at Table 37180 Table!.
legendash9 bets [$2].
craven2 is all-In [$22.76]
>You have options at Table 37180 Table!.
>You have options at Table 36975 Table!.
legendash9 folds.
craven2 does not show cards.
craven2 wins $27.41

You'd think a set would re raise here, so really you're worried about Q10 only, I think I'm calling here. Tons of pair plus draw type hands or A rag hearts that could make this play. Seems weird he would be OK slow playing the str8/set on the flop but then decide to shut you out on the turn.

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Raise preflop.

Call the all in.

Call - I think he just hit a really goofy two pair and wants to chase you off. He has J4, 94, something like that.

Fold it preflop...

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Originally Posted by ville18

Fold it preflop...

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Raise is better. Unraised pot with few limpers and he's on the button? He very likely has the best hand - raise it up right there and take it down, or isolate on one player going to the flop.

Well that's true, but i don't like playing KJ and other 'almost good' hands. I play either g00t hands or raghands.

KJ like this gets u in trouble and they usually puts you in a situation where it's hard to fold.

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Originally Posted by ville18

Fold it preflop...

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Rightttt :lol:

I'd raise it otb & I usually don't mind letting go to such a blatant overbet, you are only in for $3 - but it does look to me like he bought it with a gutsy play. He may have been slower to do it if you had raised pf.

whoever has a hand that beats you does NOT make this play. Set does not make this play. He either would raise you less on the turn, or else he would have raised you on the flop.

I call this. I bet he's on an gutshot straight flush draw.

Thanks guys, i find overbets like this pretty rare and figured he probably didn't have the goods but for some reason i didn't feel like paying $25 to find out, weak play i guess. Some players may play a straight or a set like this to give the appearance of a bluff which i then call but i think that is giving too much respect to my opponent.

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Originally Posted by ville18

Well that's true, but i don't like playing KJ and other 'almost good' hands. I play either g00t hands or raghands.

KJ like this gets u in trouble and they usually puts you in a situation where it's hard to fold.

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It's a very playable hand, one that I've won a lot of money on. It easily takes down flops that hit it, and if u get a lot of resistance then it's an easy fold. not very hard to let go in my opinion.


Raise it preflop, call the all in for sure. Even if you do run into a set I doubt this will be the case most of the time. People try and juice sets more than just take down small pots with an AI. He probably hit 2 pair also.

raise it preflop, bet the pot on the flop, respect any reasonable bets/raises. just the odds of being up against a better king or jack are low enough i don't worry unless someone raises me.

without you raising preflop and playing somewhat weak on the flop and turn, he might feel like he can push you out of this hand with some kind of a semi bluff. weak 2 pair or a straight draw or flush draw.

A set would probably re-raise your flop bet thinking you might have a pair and will call his raise. A straight would not push on the turn with a card like that (unless he thinks your on a flush draw and is super paranoid like me)