Ultimate Werewolf

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

I'm pretty sure we should just blindly follow keith until we lynch a villager.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Lemme test keith to see if I can trust him.

Keith, am I a wolf?

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I can certainly see ongwolf posting these comments , trouble is he'd post them as a villager too. When I read the first one , i was tempted to lynch him just for the lols.As for MMM , my post was intended to test his mettle, and it looks like its still fragile. NO villager jokes about having a solo win condition , especially in a game where there is one player who knows that he has a solo win condition and needs to get the wolves to eat him. After last game the wolves are never going to eat him if he is a vanillager .As a cursed villager he is better for the wolves to keep around leading to a late game eat and a sudden big change in the villager:wolf ratio. If he is the cursed villager its a bonus lynch as it means that our specials are still alive and it will be one less wolf able to influence wagons and avoids the endgame danger of him being eaten.
the danger is that 5v:2w with angel still alive ,angel would have to protect MMM in case he's recruitable.wolves eat him and its blocked, 5v vs 2w going into next day lynch a villager 4v vs 2w and that night MMM gets converted 3v vs 3w and game over. if angel doesn't protect MMM then he gets eaten without the block and then its 4v vs 3w and the wolves can wagon through any mislynch vote.

MMM is saying that his wording was a reaction test. We can't take the risk that MMM is the cursed villager, so i'm staying on him. If he's the tough guy aiming to be eaten and then being a confirmed villager then he's blown any chance of hinting to get converted and then it trapping the wolves as he would be dead . in the endgame it would have been a huge play, day 1 its pointless FPS.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

@key: I'm not joking. And stop calling me Shirley.

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We have clearance, Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?

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Originally Posted by baudib

Dhuber, I'm not sure why you think it's a good idea to claim vanilla every game.

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i just figure he is mimicking me

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Originally Posted by Hoopy

The village will know in the night actions post.

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cheers

I'm giving village points CHEAP to anyone who responds to me with more than a shrug/"idk"

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I came into today with 3-4 wolf suspects, a good number IMO.

Then another 3 people decided to start Tuesday by perfectly echoing lines they've taken in recent wolf games.

Then another 2 make possible TMI slips.

Too many wolves ITG.

Keybored Post #106 re: BID "hedging" ... BID did this last match, especially with the "If so-and-so flips 'x' then..." I think it's standard play for him.

@ Keybored & baudib. From now on, I'm not going to use the other "V" word or do any early-game claims. I'm notifying everyone here so there's no mix-up in future matches as to why I'm not following that style anymore.

I'm in agreement with baudib & Keybored on MMM reads. Although MMM's posts really come off as wolfy, I'm not entirely in love with his wagon at the moment.

Rescind MadMojoMonkey

The problem is, I really don't have any significant reads aside from those first few posts by MMM which are highly suspicious. I am going to go with a strategy I tried last game of deciding who I'll align myself with for now and adjust at a later time if need be.

Right now, I will work with the following players: baudib, Keybored, Luco, Keith (Village Leans)

Right now, I will NOT work with the following players: MMM, wufwugy, OngBonga, gabe (Suspicious Leans)

If nothing significant comes up by the end of the Day #1 Cycle, I will go back to the MMM lynch. I'm not leaning any way at this time on any player not included in the lists above.

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Originally Posted by Keybored

Daven's lynch vote on Dhuber is also questionable since there's no good reason to poke Dhubs right now and he seems like the strongest villager so far.

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really? re the bit i changed to bold in the quote

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Originally Posted by Keith

I can certainly see ongwolf posting these comments , trouble is he'd post them as a villager too. When I read the first one , i was tempted to lynch him just for the lols.As for MMM , my post was intended to test his mettle, and it looks like its still fragile. NO villager jokes about having a solo win condition , especially in a game where there is one player who knows that he has a solo win condition and needs to get the wolves to eat him. After last game the wolves are never going to eat him if he is a vanillager .As a cursed villager he is better for the wolves to keep around leading to a late game eat and a sudden big change in the villager:wolf ratio. If he is the cursed villager its a bonus lynch as it means that our specials are still alive and it will be one less wolf able to influence wagons and avoids the endgame danger of him being eaten. ...

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Ong's comments about sponging you bothered me too.

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MMM is saying that his wording was a reaction test. We can't take the risk that MMM is the cursed villager, so i'm staying on him. If he's the tough guy aiming to be eaten and then being a confirmed villager then he's blown any chance of hinting to get converted and then it trapping the wolves as he would be dead . in the endgame it would have been a huge play, day 1 its pointless FPS.

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Your derp clear application has been rejected.

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Originally Posted by Keybored

We have clearance, Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?

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I just wanna tell you both good luck; we're all counting on you

wuf/monstr/??
mmm's claimed gambit pretty much means we have to lynch him early unfortunately

Oh and when the game passes the 24-hour mark, we may be looking at another LOLwolfrilla effort.

Vote Count 1.1

MMM - 2 (keith, wuf)
bigred - 1 (Ong)
daven - 1 (baudib)
dhuber - 1 (daven)
wuf - 1 (MMM)
monstrman - 1 (gabe)

Please point out any errors you see.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

@key: I'm not joking. And stop calling me Shirley.

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Originally Posted by Keybored

We have clearance, Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?

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Originally Posted by Luco

I just wanna tell you both good luck; we're all counting on you

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Preach brothers.

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Originally Posted by Keith

As for MMM , my post was intended to test his mettle, and it looks like its still fragile. NO villager jokes about having a solo win condition , especially in a game where there is one player who knows that he has a solo win condition and needs to get the wolves to eat him. After last game the wolves are never going to eat him if he is a vanillager .As a cursed villager he is better for the wolves to keep around leading to a late game eat and a sudden big change in the villager:wolf ratio. If he is the cursed villager its a bonus lynch as it means that our specials are still alive and it will be one less wolf able to influence wagons and avoids the endgame danger of him being eaten.
the danger is that 5v:2w with angel still alive ,angel would have to protect MMM in case he's recruitable.wolves eat him and its blocked, 5v vs 2w going into next day lynch a villager 4v vs 2w and that night MMM gets converted 3v vs 3w and game over. if angel doesn't protect MMM then he gets eaten without the block and then its 4v vs 3w and the wolves can wagon through any mislynch vote.

MMM is saying that his wording was a reaction test. We can't take the risk that MMM is the cursed villager, so i'm staying on him. If he's the tough guy aiming to be eaten and then being a confirmed villager then he's blown any chance of hinting to get converted and then it trapping the wolves as he would be dead . in the endgame it would have been a huge play, day 1 its pointless FPS.

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I'm putting the bold bits on the record.
Villagers are uncertain, and must consider all conclusions as a weighted average. This stipulation that there is a 0% chance I'm a villager is so wrong, not only conceptually, but also actually.

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Originally Posted by Hoopy

Just a reminder that the miller and tough guy aren't aware of their roles.

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Most of the rest is fear-mongering, and speculating about things that are NOT hunting V's or W's... which I find wolfy.

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Originally Posted by daven

wuf/monstr/??
mmm's claimed gambit pretty much means we have to lynch him early unfortunately

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So no different EV for me than prior to game start? Exactly.

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Originally Posted by baudib

Your derp clear application has been rejected.

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I think I agree with this, (assuming I understand it, I agree with it). baud gains 0.1 V point from me.

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Originally Posted by baudib

Gabe: Consensus best player/soul reader at FTR.

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He has allowed JV and Gator to overtake him. The best soulreader spot is open now since neither of them play anymore

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Wufwugy: Controversial player who will get into feuds with villagers; has in the past been referred to as "honorary wolf." Will have strong opinions and be wrong about a lot of them. That said, he can make a clutch vote.

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This is, um, quite accurate. Surprisingly. I was expecting some bullshit I was gonna have to correct. Good job!

Some clarification: when I got labeled "honorary wolf", I also got MVP and set a trap for Gator-wolf that resulted in the win. So...yeah

My old style: be wrong, be wrong, wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong....but then be right

What I've been trying to make my improved style: cut down on some of that wrongness and jump right into the clutch rightness. IIRC in my last game, I did well getting things right, but it was only when I went overboard into the good ol' wacky wuf that I started getting things wrong



RE: MMM. I like the lynch even more now. The claim that he was looking for a reaction is scrambling. He's probably just the cursed villager and got caught.

Clarification on "smart player being nub wolf": it's with the thing of playing loose and doubling down, encouraging people. We say "you're acting weird" and a smart player/nub wolf often says "hell ya I am foo". Not everybody does it, but it has been done

As for MMM's looseness, I recall being looser when I was cursed. It's because you know you're not playing for the village and your only real goals are to obstruct the village and get figured out by the wolves

^^ second to last game, not the anon one. That one was weird

wuf is talking like good ol' villager wuf.

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Originally Posted by Keybored

I hafta like a dude who calls himself a 'Monstah' and has a hangover on Tuesday morning!
Gabe...WTF are you doing? I get the early jab to test the new guy but damn dude. I'm with Baud, what's your MMM read? BTW, if we're gonna look at style change ups, Gabe isn't exactly his usual early-game, quiet self. Just sayin

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I agree with all of this. Including the part about gabe going crazy on D1. And by 'crazy', I mean one long-winded post. When I saw it, I assumed I had accidentally clicked on the wrong game to page 16 on D5. Jk but you get the idea. [/COLOR][COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.701961)]
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Oh for fuck sakes. I'm playing on my phone so... Can someone clean that up for me, please?

Fuck me, I could have sworn Rilla was in the signup thread, but he's not in the game.

Feel free to reject my derp clear application too.

Baud and Rilla lockwolf team! Bank it, count it, pound it like Hoopy's mam

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

I think I agree with this, (assuming I understand it, I agree with it). baud gains 0.1 V point from me.

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This is actually a line I stole from Monstr, who stole it from someone else.

Derping means to make a mistake about game mechanics, and being derp cleared means something that is much more likely for a villager to say than a wolf, because wolves will talk about distinct game features amongst themselves.

I expect Keith, of all people, will know and understand the mechanics and understand the implications.

i dont think mmm had planned out a gambit of any sorts. i think it now looks even more so like hes covering for something that didnt require covering up. im trying to think what special role besides wolf this could be but with strange roles its hard to predict how ppl will act with them


wuf my soul read credits have only gone up this year.. however im a bad wolf, a terrible ghost angel, and my success rate at convincing the village to kill someone i read when i die is 0% (props to gator and ong recently for escaping my deathrattle)

@ gabe: So, rather than even bother to humor me by answering my question as a hypothetical, you outright reject the notion that I have the intelligence, wit, and cunning to concoct a silly scheme... given my current rep in this group.

Really? That's your soul read?

SMH

you are overflowing with intelligence, wit, and cunning but you have no motive


its starting to seem more likely you just got caught up in the act!

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Originally Posted by daven

sure you aren't the miller or tough guy?
ja Lynch dhubermex

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Originally Posted by daven

thinking of rescinding and getting on ong...

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Originally Posted by daven

nothing stands out to me so far
hoopy - will the village know if the cursed villager has been converted?

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Originally Posted by daven

i just figure he is mimicking me

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Originally Posted by daven

cheers

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Originally Posted by daven

really? re the bit i changed to bold in the quote

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Originally Posted by daven

wuf/monstr/??
mmm's claimed gambit pretty much means we have to lynch him early unfortunately

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Daven's entire content (and this is it, folks) screams wolf to me.
First 3 posts were rapidfire hipshots that make no sense from a V perspective.
Next 2 are muck.
#6 weakly questions my original poke at him.
Last one puts noose on wuf/monstah outta nowhere?
But then claims we gotta hang MMM instead??

This is NOT a vanilla Daven!
Lynch Daven

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Originally Posted by baudib

Fuck me, I could have sworn Rilla was in the signup thread, but he's not in the game.
Feel free to reject my derp clear application too.

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FFS, Baud...this is the kinda shit that gets you hammered every game here. Not the sole reason, but a hang-nail in the coffin. C'mon, man! I was just beginning to warm up to you again...

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Originally Posted by Keybored

Daven's entire content (and this is it, folks) screams wolf to me.
First 3 posts were rapidfire hipshots that make no sense from a V perspective.
Next 2 are muck.
#6 weakly questions my original poke at him.
Last one puts noose on wuf/monstah outta nowhere?
But then claims we gotta hang MMM instead??

This is NOT a vanilla Daven!
Lynch Daven

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This is a pretty good post. I started out with a vote on Daven as a joke obviously but I don't mind it.

this is the first time Keybored has shown real independent thought with his vote instead of the "flavor of the hour" style from last game.

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Originally Posted by Keybored

FFS, Baud...this is the kinda shit that gets you hammered every game here. Not the sole reason, but a hang-nail in the coffin. C'mon, man! I was just beginning to warm up to you again...

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what kind of stuff? I didn't know Rilla wasn't in the game.

also, exclamation marks and over use of elipses ... are wolfy!

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Originally Posted by gabe

you are overflowing with intelligence, wit, and cunning but you have no motive


its starting to seem more likely you just got caught up in the act!

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Awww, shucks.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

So no different EV for me than prior to game start? Exactly.

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I had/have no disillusions about the odds of me making it to mid-game.

Have you read my posts in the Mafia Championship thread next door? There's indication that I was both studying WW since last FTR game, and looking to take a more light-hearted approach to this game.

Seeing the way Dripping Goofball seems to have a lot of fun while playing the game well inspired me to focus on the joy of the game.
The opening gambit by one of the players in that game also inspired me.
From 2p2

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Originally Posted by TaylorFitz

See that's why I did it.

It's something that scum think they could get me lynched over but realistically it's probably enough not to get lynched. I'm going to make it to Day 2. Now a vig can complicate that but for the most part it's a sounds strategy.

Don't worry though. Walking the line is totally my town tell. When I'm scum I totally want to look like the most obvious town player that's possible.

Of course me telling you what my town tell is pretty much negates that town tell.

But that goes back to walking the line.

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Now... I'm no TaylorFitz, but I can take inspiration from a man with a plan to stir the D1 pot up so that it's not exclusively "RVS" (Random Voting Stage).

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I'd like to think that there is 0% chance that I'd ever spew like this, as a first test of new meta, if I wasn't VV.

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Originally Posted by baudib

This is a pretty good post. I started out with a vote on Daven as a joke obviously but I don't mind it.

this is the first time Keybored has shown real independent thought with his vote instead of the "flavor of the hour" style from last game.

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That's established a pattern of baudib resonating with me. I like both baudib and key as V leans.

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Originally Posted by baudib

Tell me, Keybored, in your own words: How would I catch you wolfing?

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As a wolf, you wouldn't catch me! Wanna answer to your Q, then read last game's thread/den.
FWIW, your baited Q is sophomoric. Only a W feels he needs to answer this in a game.
A villager isn't wasting his time with it; any answer only opens up a can of WIFOM bs.
V points for trying tho...

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Originally Posted by baudib

also, exclamation marks and over use of elipses ... are wolfy!

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Crap...I love them both! What next, is my correct usage of the semicolon gonna twist your nipple??
Oh yah, how about my double question marks?
Sheesh
lol

If grammar is our reads on D1, I guess I'll be getting the boot for my countless typos.

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Originally Posted by baudib

This is a pretty good post.

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Humm, Baud, I know you think highly of your game but you come off a bit too conceited here. V-point deduction.

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

If grammar is our reads on D1, I guess I'll be getting the boot for my countless typos.

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Funny, ha-ha.

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Originally Posted by baudib

what kind of stuff? I didn't know Rilla wasn't in the game.

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You were a wolf with him last game, ffs.
Rilla is an enormous presence whose absence is obv.
No point deduction here but it doesn't help your style of play.
Hyper posting can be overlooked but only if content is relevant and accurate.

If anyone thinks Keybored is making any sense let me know.

it's probably a villager tell for him tbh.

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Originally Posted by Keybored

Daven's entire content (and this is it, folks) screams wolf to me.
First 3 posts were rapidfire hipshots that make no sense from a V perspective.
Next 2 are muck.
#6 weakly questions my original poke at him.
Last one puts noose on wuf/monstah outta nowhere?
But then claims we gotta hang MMM instead??

This is NOT a vanilla Daven!
Lynch Daven

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lol.
re the last one cos that's the most important to explain to you i think?
I think the wolves are wuf/monstah and a third player.
Re hanging mmm - his play means that he looks too much like the cursed villager for him to be able to survive through to mid-game. Maybe it was a gambit as he claims. If so, then it was ridic fancy play syndrome unfortunately.

and rescind Dhubermex
lynch wuf

Meant to post this when I was on earlier, but forgot. And remembered I forgot as I closed my lappy

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Originally Posted by monstrman

He was reading another player that was in the game as a wolf and no matter what anyone said every post was met with "You are a wolf and you should get lynched" or "this is wolfy pls die." He tried as hard as he could to convince every player in the game that the person he was reading as a wolf was actually a wolf because that is how much he believed it.

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Nobody has said anything more accurate about Baud. I suspect he has gotten much better since this was a real problem, though. He only just started playing a few months ago, but has since probably played at least 3x as many games as we've ran here over the last five games

Hmmmmm.... I quite like lynching Daven, even though he has a point about mmm.

Mmm's response seems legit coming from him, but it's still standard if he is flying solo.

I think he needs to go. And if he is actually trying to wave a come get me flag, kudos on the research.

To be clear he's sold nd he's a villager but he has to go for pulling the trick in the first place.

mmm

Nd = me

Oh dat Daven

Instead of re-copypasta'ing, since Keybored just did it above, read post 177, 191, and 192. That's everything Daven has posted. 192, he bolds me

The meta between me and Daven, or at least my assumption of the meta, is that he knows he ALWAYS bolds me on d1. But normally he does it when I'm really active, because it gives his always-suspecting-wuf mind easy pickings to find something he doesn't like. But I haven't done that and he hasn't done that. All he's said is he has no reads, then that he thinks me and monstr are a team, all for what appears no reason. While I have attacked MMM, Daven has acknowledged the veracity of my argument but then bolded me instead

This looks like wolf-daven doing two things: (1) he knows attacking me is expected of him and (2) he agrees that MMM is the likely cursed candidate, so attacking me is just good on the numbers for his team

I'm staying on MMM, but I think they're both baddies

BTW since I love ripping on non-FTR WW players, if MMM seriously did use "the gambit" as a tactic, and learned it from reading the game of champs on 2p2 or whatever, it's +1 for FTR since that's a dumb strategy. Villagers who pretend to be anything other than villagers are only making the wolves' job easier.

Villages beat wolves by forcing wolves to be the wolfiest players left, and wolves beat villages by villagering better than the village. There, I just wrote the tell-all book on WW. That's be $20. I accept Paypal

wuf looking more and more like he's not hunting at all.

I'm happy with my vote.

@rong: What do you think of ong?
His "good" and "everyone but me" comments are WIFOMing the hell out of me.

To be fair... I made that comment in #197 about wuf before I read his post #196. Synergy there.

Reading his post #196 doesn't change my mind.

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@rong: What do you think of ong?
His "good" and "everyone but me" comments are WIFOMing the hell out of me.

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Hey dude who has a history of misreading ong, can I count on you to mislynch him? Here, allow me to sew the seed of paranoia by pointing to his trollish comments.

What? More like, "hey dude I'm on the fence about, how about dropping some concrete into this thread. It wouldn't hurt if you dropped it on someone else I'm on the fence about."

@ong: what do you think of rong saying I'm V and he's gonna vote me anyway?

JKDS responded to me asking why he wasn't concerned about me towning him so quick, but totally ignored what I said about his first post. That was a bad habit of mine last game, to be selective of what I replied to. It's not like my accusation was a vague waving of my finger, I'm directly saying that there is wolf motivation, and he has nothing to say about that? He prefers to focus on something that is easier to react to. Like me last game.

mojo just feels particularly awkward and I suspect he probably is the cursed villager. He tried to slip a hint to the wolves but overdid it and is now passing it off as a gambit. Not buying it.

JKDS wolf, mojo cursed.

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@ong: what do you think of rong saying I'm V and he's gonna vote me anyway?

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I agree with him. See above post for reason.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

BTW since I love ripping on non-FTR WW players, if MMM seriously did use "the gambit" as a tactic, and learned it from reading the game of champs on 2p2 or whatever, it's +1 for FTR since that's a dumb strategy. Villagers who pretend to be anything other than villagers are only making the wolves' job easier.

Villages beat wolves by forcing wolves to be the wolfiest players left, and wolves beat villages by villagering better than the village. There, I just wrote the tell-all book on WW. That's be $20. I accept Paypal

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I feel like you're talking a lot about generic werewolf strategy as opposed to anything game related. That said, I feel a bit better about you since your most recent posts, although it's a tendency for most people to think of people as wolfy when they aren't around.

As far as the above post, I mean it's pretty basic WW101, which can lead you to a lot of embarrassing losses against tricky wolves.

Villagers can be wolfy, wolves can do villagery things. I think that the context of the game is important though; I was in a game recently where 3 villagers made wolf claims, and almost no one batted an eye.

The problem MMM has here is that our culture is totally different, our playstyle is very conservative and D1 FPS by villagery basically doesn't happen. For example, look how much shit Dhuber has gotten over claiming "vanilla." Can you imagine if he claimed wolf?

Here's the thing with doober's vanilla claim -

He does it every game. Thus, it's non alignment idicative. He's not gonna enter a game going "yeah fistpump I'm finally the seer", or "arroooo bitches here we go". If he only claimed vanilla when he's actually vanilla, well then I'll fucking lynch him every time he does it because it's a safe d1 lynch and means it doesn't help the wolves special hunt. So long as he does it always, then it doesn't matter, and attacking him for it is rolefishy as hell. Villagers shouldn't want him to elaborate on why he says it. Villagers shouldn't want to figure out his motive. Villagers should find other shit to talk about.

and MMM, I think you're probably gonna flip Vanillager quite a bit here but the real dilemma is that your play has pretty much put Cursed squarely in your range.

Ideally we could just let the wolves deal with the issue of Cursed, I think, and the village can just concentrate on lynching all wolfy players, Cursed or wolves. You have kinda forced our hand here though.

^^^ +1

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Here's the thing with doober's vanilla claim -

He does it every game. Thus, it's non alignment idicative. He's not gonna enter a game going "yeah fistpump I'm finally the seer", or "arroooo bitches here we go". If he only claimed vanilla when he's actually vanilla, well then I'll fucking lynch him every time he does it because it's a safe d1 lynch and means it doesn't help the wolves special hunt. So long as he does it always, then it doesn't matter, and attacking him for it is rolefishy as hell. Villagers shouldn't want him to elaborate on why he says it. Villagers shouldn't want to figure out his motive. Villagers should find other shit to talk about.

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claiming seer as vanilla >>>> claiming vanilla as vanilla

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Originally Posted by Keybored

^^^ +1

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That was for Wuf's comments on Dhuber. Baud stepped on me.

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Originally Posted by Keybored

That was for Wuf's comments on Dhuber. Baud stepped on me.

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How dare you accuse me of being wuf.

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Originally Posted by baudib

claiming seer as vanilla >>>> claiming vanilla as vanilla

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claiming vanilla every game = whatever

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Originally Posted by Keybored

That was for Wuf's comments on Dhuber. Baud stepped on me.

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** Ong's comments, not Wuf's. Sorry, gonna take a break now.

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Originally Posted by baudib

I feel like you're talking a lot about generic werewolf strategy as opposed to anything game related. That said, I feel a bit better about you since your most recent posts, although it's a tendency for most people to think of people as wolfy when they aren't around.

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I have a different schedule than everybody else. I'm gone each weekday for a long stretch while everybody else is on. I also post less and less with each new game. I've also been creating rules for myself in an attempt to make my play better. Those rules include things like not posting about who I think are villagers and instead just posting who I think are wolves. Naturally this cuts down on a ton of text

Basically, I've been trying to "JV" my game. The JVP got the name the JVP for a reason, and one thing he consistently did was not post a whole lot and when he did post it would be about who he thinks should die

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

I have a different schedule than everybody else. I'm gone each weekday for a long stretch while everybody else is on. I also post less and less with each new game. I've also been creating rules for myself in an attempt to make my play better. Those rules include things like not posting about who I think are villagers and instead just posting who I think are wolves. Naturally this cuts down on a ton of text

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this means that you're only doing like 1/4th the job of a villager.

how is it you have time to talk about theoretical WW strat but not who you think are villagers? Do you not think that a clear, easily followed progression on your reads is helpful to the village, not only in finding villagers and wolves but also to clear yourself?

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Originally Posted by baudib

this means that you're only doing like 1/4th the job of a villager.

how is it you have time to talk about theoretical WW strat but not who you think are villagers? Do you not think that a clear, easily followed progression on your reads is helpful to the village, not only in finding villagers and wolves but also to clear yourself?

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Oh I have the time to talk about who I think are villagers, at least right now. I just don't think that's good WW strategy, or at least it's bad for me

Remember the first game we played together (excluding the late sub one), where the wolves were Gabe, Keith, and Scourrge? I died with my bold on Gabe. I was very keyed into him being a wolf, but the only thing anybody remembered was all of my other more complicated reads, that I made out of boredom while I was waiting for people to back me on Gabe, and those reads were wrong. Furthermore, it looked like I was sucking, because taking my reads at the time of my death, the wolves would have won. I don't think the game works like that since reads are always subject to change based on new information, but others don't agree and the village got labelled as one of the worst villages in a long time. Partly because of me

My play was strong until I got complex with it. Since then I decided I'm just going to go after the main person I think should die. If I had done that and lived to the last day, we would have won that game


Posting vil reads is a legit strategy though. I'm not saying I'm right, just that I think I'm right for me. It has gotten me in a lot of trouble in the past

The optimal game in the life of a villager, according to datwugy: d1: Figure out who you think should die, bold him. d2: Figure out who you think should die, bold him. d3: Figure out who you think should die, bold him. d4: Figure out who you think should die, bold him. d5: Figure out who you think should die, bold him. d6: Figure out who you think should die, bold him. d7: Yay! You've won!

I don't mean to sound condescending here, Mr. Wuf, but it's the "figure out" part that makes this game, yah?
If we all took this minimalist approach then there'd be no WW.
This crazy thing only works because of interaction, personality, tactics, deception, and a little horseplay.
Get busy livin' or get busy dying.

Some people need to increase their output, others need to decrease it. I'm one of those who does better the less he says stuff

When I throw around a bunch of shit about who is villy and who is not and blah blah blah, I always get sooooo much wrong, and in doing so create pages and pages of unreadable worthlessness. But every time I've kept it straight and true, focused on just finding the best lynch, I've been far more accurate

The fact that we're even talking about this suggests that we spend a lot of time talking about things that don't improve the probability of lynching wolves. Granted, it kinda has to be like that because we don't always know what we should be focusing on

Only read first post so far. What's a zimmerframe and how do I thank it for finally finishing the job?

Also, did you know you don't have to use the mobile version when browsing this site from your phone? I didn't. I didn't figure it out until I gave up trying to load page 1 and it loaded page 2 instead like 20 times.

You our guys see all these facts I'm filled with? Tons of facts. Super useful. Let's find some wolves and maybe some sun for the comet lander? Poor guy. All alone.

I'm good with an MMM lynch or bigred

Nearly 3 pages and still no significant reads other than the obvious MMM initial posts. I still feel the same about my leans. wuf is coming off as extremely sincere in some posts, and I'm not sure how I should read that. My personal alignment list remains.

So 16 players, 4 know they're anti-Village and 12 know they're pro-Village. Chances MMM flips anti-Village are well over 25% in my opinion, even given the hard-to-read posts. There's enough from his posts on Page #1 alone to make him the most solid Day #1 lynch so far, not to mention the fact that Wolves are not likely to night-feast on him until late game if Cursed Villager is still around as Keith suggests.

I'm thinking chances MMM flips anti-Village is nearly 50% here, and I'm also thinking (playing the BID game here) that if he's lynched and flips anti-Village that it clears none of us. But it does make for one less anti-Village player.

I especially like Keith's analysis in Post #151 and wuf's analysis on MMM's statements about Hoopy wanting the match to be over quickly. This is much more compelling than the case in which there was an "arrooooo, i mean quack" post in the anon game.

Lynch MadMojoMonkey

Done reading day 1.

Props to Luco for the batman gif. Why don't more people communicate via pictures?

GFY to ong for the bigred vote. Why not communicate via pictures?

Rong trying real hard on a villagery vibe with his tough guy questions.

Page 2

Lol @ ong and his references to "owning" anyone.

Gabe too good looking to lynch.

Baudib asking people what they think of others, great wolf mask.

JKDS throwing out random vibes without much backing.

Baudib not realizing rilla was in game. Classic "villager" mistake AMIRITE?

Hoopy sure seems wolfy. Seems to know everything about the game.

Daven seems pretty suspicious. Although I'm concerned that's because other pople are saying it.

Page 3 thus far.

That bigred guy sure is trying to make up for lost time. Probably super good looking too. No cat pictures though...something is suspicious...

http://funnyasduck.net/wp-content/up...afoot-pics.jpg


Gabe still good looking.

Bankitdrew still mentally handicapped.

People still trying too hard on day 1.

I'm gonna go back to villager list and spin the wheel based on who's lying low...low low low low...apple bottom jeans and the boots with the fur!

lynch aubrey

She hasn't posted once and girls are super gross.

Also, didn't she lie super low as a wolf once? I'm making that up to support my argument but it's probably a Republican fact.